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Group 1: Board 8 User Mafia Topic 1: Of Mice and Men

Ed Bellis | Posted 7/23/2008 3:31:02 PM | message detail
It was a peaceful day in the e-land of Board 8...


or was it?


Welcome to Board 8 Mafia, where everybody has been given out roles roughly corresponding to various Board 8 users. Odds are if you're here you want your 2 points, so here is a quick summary of the rules to follow:
- You must make a minimum of 2 substantial posts per game day. That's the big one. Obviously I'd prefer it if you did more.
- No game discussion outside this thread (unless your role specifically allows it). This is also a biggie.
- No posts discussing the game after I say stop talking. You can bump the topic and make contentless posts, but that’s it.
- If you’re dead or spectating, no posts with content.
- Don’t directly quote your role/conversations with me. Paraphrasing is fine.
- No cheating or trying to break the game.
- Play to win, please. You can play poorly – and that’s to be expected to a certain degree – but don’t give up. That will get you replaced and you won’t get your precious 2 points.
- You don’t need to be “in character” or anything. Just post how you’d normally post.

How to play:
- Town wins when all non-town players are killed.
- Scum wins when all non-scum players are killed (or when that outcome is inevitable).
- Please vote in the following format: <b##Vote: Playername.</b You may unvote any time when a lynch has not occurred with the same format: <b##Vote: Playername.</b You may also vote for “No Lynch” or “Time Extension” with the same format.
- The day ends when a majority of votes has been reached for someone. No posting after the deciding vote. If the day deadline is hit when there’s no majority, the person with the highest number of votes is automatically lynched.


List of players:
1. AsurasKordoth
2. baubeta
3. Coffee Ninja
4. Cyclo
5. Fett
6. Forceful Dragon
7. GameBopAdv
8. Jack White
9. lefty
10. Menji
11. MrSmartGuy
12. MZero
13. Ngamer
14. Not Dave
15. potatoesaretubers
16. Redtooth
17. Sir Chris
18. SSBM
19. SunnyX
20. The Raven 2
21. ToadYoshi
22. WVI

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.
Day ends at roughly 5:30 PM EST, Friday July 25.


Get to posting!
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Fred-Savage | Posted 7/23/2008 3:34:45 PM | message detail
Hey guys, should we start thinking whos the scum or what? Any ideas?
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Not Dave | Posted 7/23/2008 4:01:43 PM | message detail
i do not understand this game at all. better read up on some mafia.


ND
th3l3fty | Posted 7/23/2008 4:16:31 PM | message detail
//roll-dice-1-sides 22

o wate
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Fred-Savage | Posted 7/23/2008 4:22:38 PM | message detail
Menji sounds like a terrorist to me, lets get him
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Jack White | Posted 7/23/2008 4:31:24 PM | message detail
From th3l3fty Posted 7/23/2008 11:16:31 PM #004
//roll-dice-1-sides 22

o wate


totally suspicious imho

vote lefty
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AsurasKordoth | Posted 7/23/2008 4:33:39 PM | message detail
##VOTE: SunnyX

I was originally going to vote him for the sole reason that I decided I don't like his username but I saw lefty's post and thought it might be interesting and roll a die through an AIM Chatroom. Guess who I rolled?

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Not Dave | Posted 7/23/2008 4:56:56 PM | message detail
what do you mean by "substantial posts"?


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th3l3fty | Posted 7/23/2008 5:02:15 PM | message detail
http://home.graffiti.net/thegreatzidane/mafia.GIF

I am convinced

##VOTE: SunnyX
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/23/2008 5:16:58 PM | message detail
what do you mean by "substantial posts"?

Basically something that furthers the conversation. Your thoughts on a particular user or users, basically. Coming in and voting randomly isn't exactly substantial, but justifying your vote with some reasoning would be.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 7/23/2008 5:39:41 PM | message detail
personally, i think Fett has to be scum because...

i mean, his name is fett.

if bounty hunters arent the baddies, i dont know who is~!
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 7/23/2008 5:41:08 PM | message detail
##Vote: Fett.


although im sure everyone else will just jump on the Sunny X train, im stickin to my gut feeling over a lucky dice roll!
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baubeta | Posted 7/23/2008 6:03:13 PM | message detail
##VOTE Not Dave
.
I've watched enough episodes of the mole to know that it's always the hot foreign babe that's doing it (I actually only watched the last two episodes of the Kathy Griffin season and that's what happened.)

Now, Not Dave isn't exactly a hot foreign babe, but he is foreign. He also dressed as a girl once. Also I think he'd look nice if he died his hair blonde.

Game over, lets do day 8. I recommend something not so easy and obvious.
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baubeta | Posted 7/23/2008 6:04:04 PM | message detail
Also, why the grits aren't I in the boys and men group. THAT'S MY LINE BELLIS!!!! I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE! COLLEGE!
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/23/2008 6:12:20 PM | message detail
I thought of it second. =P
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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/23/2008 6:12:35 PM | message detail
Eh..I personally don't exactly like the idea of voting for someone based off a random roll of a dice, but then again we don't quite have that much to base anyone of being scum right now, since it's the first day.....

...I've got a slight idea of who I'd vote for right now, but I'd certainly rather wait a bit and cast my vote a little later tonight...
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Not Dave | Posted 7/23/2008 6:23:37 PM | message detail
hmm... i thought about this for a bit, and it's really hard to pick someone to vote for this early in the game. if i vote against the people who actually know how to play this fancy game then we'll be left with a pretty rotten mess if they're ever all gone, so i'm just going to hop on the 19 bandwagon and vote against the only person on the list that i don't know:

##Vote: SunnyX


ND
Jack White | Posted 7/23/2008 6:36:37 PM | message detail
Well it's Day 1 and we know nothing. I guess the best way to get things going is:

##Vote: SunnyX
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ToadYoshi | Posted 7/23/2008 7:02:26 PM | message detail
*reads topic*

I see that many people here have never played a game of mafia. To anyone who has no idea what you're doing, some advice: If you want to win, actively talk about the game and gain information on player alliances. This is useful as the mafia tend to be in an alliance. Day 1 is NOT a purely random lynch; if someone is smart, they can discover a mafia tell from someone, or at least a little bit about player alliances.

Now lets try to be a little intelligent about it and not all bandwagon to SunnyX.

With that in mind, ##VOTE BauBeta




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The Raven 2 | Posted 7/23/2008 7:07:15 PM | message detail
The bandwagon for SunnyX almost seems like a trap. A huge mob-sized trap:

##VOTE BauBeta

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ToadYoshi | Posted 7/23/2008 7:11:35 PM | message detail
reason: his post was one of the least substantial I have ever seen in any mafia game, even for day 1.

(that was implied in the above post, but explicitly stated here because after rereading I realized it wouldn't make sense to anyone but me.)
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ScorpionX3 | Posted 7/23/2008 7:34:41 PM | message detail
OBSERVER TAG!!

I'm imagining ToadYoshi explaining Mafia behind a bush like in those documentaries about the animal kingdom and speaking really slowly for the camera as if that way people will understand.

OBSERVER TAG!!
baubeta | Posted 7/23/2008 7:39:49 PM | message detail
But isn't one of the rules no outside talking?

I'd hella collude with my Internet BFF Coffee Ninja but I don't think that's aloud.

P.S. Mr. Ninja, lets win this together. Take down the evil Not Dave empire with me and save this land from peril!
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baubeta | Posted 7/23/2008 7:40:57 PM | message detail
Also. Baubeta is one word. It's not even really a name. If you're going to kill me, at least respect the titling.
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Jack White | Posted 7/23/2008 7:51:48 PM | message detail
going to sleep for a bit so ##Unvote: SunnyX just in case it is a mafia trap.
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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/23/2008 7:59:47 PM | message detail
Okay, um, I've decided I'll vote now, and...uhh

##Vote: Jack White

Reasons: Well...I believe the thing said active players must post twice every game day...so here's my second post.
And also I'm feeling a bit sick right now so I'm gonna go lay down for a bit and if I end up falling asleep I don't want to end up missing my 2nd post as well as my chance to vote...

Also Jack White's post just seemed...I dunno. It just kinda made me suspicious of him being in the Mafia, though I wouldn't be all too surprised if he wasn't.
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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/23/2008 8:01:13 PM | message detail
...wait.

...................................oh forget it then.

##Unvote: Jack White

If I fall asleep I just won't end up voting today.
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Billy Blaze | Posted 7/23/2008 8:02:57 PM | message detail
The first day is quite hard to decipher. I'm kind of worried that because most of us are new, it might just make it harder. But I do agree someone needs to go, and I don't actually know who SunnyX is, so that as good a name as any. Though I wouldn't mind hearing what he has to say before doing so...

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SunnyX | Posted 7/23/2008 8:06:00 PM | message detail
Whoo, first mafia and I already have a bandwagon on me. Ohh, and just in case anyone wonders, this might be my first mafia, but I've been reading these topics on B8 for quite some time so I'm not as horrible as I could be.

Reading back through the topic, I am a bit suspicious of how fast the bandwagon started on me. The first post I can believe, but then it seems like most of the people that I've seen play mafia before decided to jump on my wagon too. Of course, it's easily explainable by saying that it's best to vote off a newbie on the first day, but I'd be willing to bet there's at least one scum on me right now. Jack White's first serious post in this topic was basically him saying "lol okay bandwagons are fun on day one" without really adding anything else, though I know it'd be hard this early on. Add on the fact that he's the fourth person to vote for me, which happens to be a prime spot for mafia if they want in on a wagon. Not going to vote yet, but I thought I'd just bring all this up.

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Fred-Savage | Posted 7/23/2008 8:09:42 PM | message detail
well im going with the guy with the terrorist sounding name

##VOTE Menji
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WVl | Posted 7/23/2008 8:09:43 PM | message detail
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SunnyX | Posted 7/23/2008 8:12:12 PM | message detail
>_< Of course, as I type that up he posts. Well, either he's town and he realized that the vote on me could be a trap, or he's mafia that's going along with the town opinion so his voting record seems better in the coming days. It being day one I'm more attracted to the second option, and he was all too quick to switch his vote around. But for the time being I'll believe him.
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baubeta | Posted 7/23/2008 8:13:22 PM | message detail
I'LL REMEMBER THIS DAY MR. NINJA. GOOD DAY TO YOU AND YOUR COFFEE!
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WVl | Posted 7/23/2008 8:17:32 PM | message detail
...Okay, now that I understand the game, this is quite interesting.

I detect an early trap. I choose...##Vote: Jack White Either he did a bad job explaining himself off, or I'm incredibly paranoid. Ah well.
WVl | Posted 7/23/2008 8:18:32 PM | message detail
That, and Gamebop sure was quick to defend him !!

Uh...I think that's how this game works.
Billy Blaze | Posted 7/23/2008 8:38:58 PM | message detail
First, WVI, I'm pretty sure you shouldn't delete posts. Like Ever. To me, that's an easy strike one against you. Maybe not enough, but on day 1, it doesn't seem like it takes much to get rid of someone. Now, the next thing is the counter-bandwagon. Sunny seems pretty legit, but it is a bit surprising that a bunch of people were quick to defend him. Stop me if I'm reading too deeply into this, but if Sunny was mafia, his friends would quickly try to stop his bandwagon and try to convince others to jump ship. It makes sense, since from now on, anyone who votes Sunny would be immediately suspicious, which is perfect for a mafia member.

Regardless, WVI still seems more suspicious. Besides deleting his post, he also quickly bandwagoned, and he seems to be playing the "I have no idea how to play this game" card quite strongly. Maybe he really is unsure about his actions, but I don't think he should exclaim this with every post.

##Vote:WVI

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ToadYoshi | Posted 7/23/2008 8:41:28 PM | message detail
I'm imagining ToadYoshi explaining Mafia behind a bush like in those documentaries about the animal kingdom and speaking really slowly for the camera as if that way people will understand.

I lol'd. As a player who actually GMs more than he plays, because he is teaching new players, I can definitely relate to this.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/23/2008 8:43:57 PM | message detail
PLEASE, don't delete your posts.

I'll let it slide this time, but do remember that it's clearly stated in the above rules. The logic behind this is that it's easy to remove incriminating evidence and stuff like that. So no more of that plz kthx
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SunnyX | Posted 7/23/2008 9:09:40 PM | message detail
SunnyX(3): AsurasKordoth, th3l3fty, Not Dave, Jack White, (Jack White)
Fett(1): Cyclo_Reaper
Not Dave(1): baubeta
baubeta(2): ToadYoshi, The Raven 2
Jack White(1): GameBopAdv, (GameBopAdv), WVI
Menji(1): Fred-Savage
WVI(1): Billy Blaze

Oddest thing I see on here are the votes on baubeta. They both came at around the same time when the only thing baubeta had done was cast a (most likely) joke vote on Not Dave. It was still rather early on in the day and from what I've seen joke votes are rather common that early, but the fact that he got two votes on him based solely on that is kind of...odd. Even more odd when you factor in that baubeta was voting for someone on my lynch, but got a vote on him with the apparent reasoning being "let's not all bandwagon SunnyX". I'd like to hear from both of the people who voted him, if only to understand their reasoning.

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SunnyX | Posted 7/23/2008 9:14:05 PM | message detail
>_< Augh augh read the next page you dolt. Okay, I suppose ToadYoshi is off the hook for now, but still, I'm rather sure that baubeta's first vote was a joke vote and wasn't meant to be taken beyond face value. Raven, I'd like to hear from you about your vote on baubeta, as it came before Toad's explanation of his vote.
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baubeta | Posted 7/23/2008 9:59:14 PM | message detail
Ya, it was me just guessing around.

Day two I'll start playing for realisies.

...Oh wait.

NOT DAVE IS THE ****ING SCUM AND HE WILL BURN!
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/23/2008 11:19:17 PM | message detail
K just got on.

anyway I really hate lynching day 1. I also really hate lynching based on people being morons and rolling dice, especially in big games. I don't have much time to say anything as I am playing a game at the moment, but anyone who votes based off dice or names is either majorly suspicious of being scum to me or of being a complete moron, regardless of their role.

I'll be on in a bit to take a glance at everyone's posts to see if I can spot anyone acting scummy, but for now I'll keep it at that
Fett0001 | Posted 7/24/2008 12:04:03 AM | message detail
At least you didn't vote no lynch....
AsurasKordoth | Posted 7/24/2008 12:17:33 AM | message detail
##UNVOTE: SunnyX

My vote was simply meant to test the waters and I'm not quite sure I feel about SunnyX's level of scumminess right now. I somehow managed to get 4-5 others to bandwagon on him but then there were 4-5 others who were a bit defensive of him saying not to get on the bandwagon and express suspicion for people on the bandwagon. It's pretty hard to read much into this considering most of the players here are new // just playing this due to WWYD and don't really care if they win/lose. I do feel that SunnyX seems to be trying a bit too hard to be active and say things but that could just be the newbie factor. By the way, your votals fail. Can someone post a version that doesn't?

##VOTE: Fred-Savage

His first post was "Menji sounds like a terrorist to me, lets get him" near the beginning of the game and the second post to vote Menji for the same reason. Honestly he is obviously just voting and putting random reasons to pretend like he's actually here and doing something. He initially wanted to get a bandwagon on Menji, but was too afraid to even cast a vote. He came back with the SunnyX bandwagon well under way and didn't join probably because he was a) afraid to look scummy getting on a bandwagon or b) is scumbuddies with SunnyX. I say this especially because at the time of his second post, there was a lot more to work with (SunnyX bandwagon, two people voting baubetta, odd posts from people like GameBopAdv, and a few other votes out there) and there was no excuse to place a random vote based on a username.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 7/24/2008 12:34:15 AM | message detail
##VOTE: SunnyX

This guy seems to know a little too much if you ask me... It's hard to say anything definite, this being Day One and all, but he's certainly coming up the scummiest so far on my scum radar.

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potatoesaretubers | Posted 7/24/2008 1:53:57 AM | message detail
Ed: Are you going to tell us what roles there are/how many scum there are?

The forum I used to play this on always started at night, so I'm a little thrown right now.

##VOTE: WVI

Since we have nothing/very little to go off of, I'm gonna have to go with the post-deleter. I know that seems unfair since a lot of us are newcomers, but whatever.
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Menji76 | Posted 7/24/2008 2:30:40 AM | message detail
##Vote: Coffee Ninja.


I could jump on SunnyX or baubeta, but you got to take someone who's not involved. Coffee Ninja. He hasn't posted yet and what could be the reason? It could be because he just hasn't been on. But it's more than likely he doesn't know what to post and doesn't want to screw something up just to get involved. I'm thinking something is up.

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Jack White | Posted 7/24/2008 2:36:01 AM | message detail
hmm. two reasons I changed my vote before going:

1. mafia could have bandwagoned on SunnyX (already explained)
2. if you guys ended the day while I was gone I'd have needed a second serious post. (which would suck for me, although not as much as getting lynched -_-)
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/24/2008 6:10:57 AM | message detail
##Merc/AK.

Okay, I have read this over a bit and the one thing I am sure of: Merc knows better.
Ed Bellis | Posted 7/24/2008 9:36:03 AM | message detail
SunnyX (3): (AsurasKordoth), lefty, Not Dave, (Jack White), Ngamer
Fett (1): Cyclo
Not Dave (1): baubeta
baubeta (2): ToadYoshi, The Raven 2
Jack White (1): (GameBopAdv), WVI
Menji (1): Coffee Ninja
WVI (2): Redtooth, tubers
Coffee Ninja (2): AsurasKordoth, Menji
AsurasKordoth (1): Sir Chris

Votes in parentheses have been changed.

Chris, don't forget to bold your votes in the future.

tubers, I won't be revealing what roles there are or how many there are. Suffice to say that I've tried to keep things relatively simple, so most of the roles are fairly basic.
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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/24/2008 9:36:53 AM | message detail
Pretty sure Fred Savage is Coffee Ninja...

if you go to Fred Savage's profile, there's a link in the quote to some board mainly with posts by Coffee Ninja and Fred Savage, and the posts by Fred Savage there say "*is Coffee Ninja*" in the sigs, so...Yeah. Just saying this since I've seen two posts of people that didn't seem to know this.

......also perhaps I'm just easily persuaded or something, but Merc's post has kinda convinced me....

so..... ##Vote:Coffee Ninja

...yeah.
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WVl | Posted 7/24/2008 9:44:07 AM | message detail
"I'll let it slide this time, but do remember that it's clearly stated in the above rules. The logic behind this is that it's easy to remove incriminating evidence and stuff like that. So no more of that plz kthx"

Sorry about that. As I said, I'm very new and awkward about this.
WVl | Posted 7/24/2008 9:46:13 AM | message detail
"...and he seems to be playing the 'I have no idea how to play this game' card quite strongly. Maybe he really is unsure about his actions, but I don't think he should exclaim this with every post."

I'm actually doing so so that I don't come off as a complete dumbass, but maybe I should've read this first.
Sir Basch | Posted 7/24/2008 9:54:06 AM | message detail
Ohh.... totally missed Merc's recant.

##Un Merc

Vote ##Fred Savage

Okay if Merc wants to get smart let's get smart, that was pretty scummy, agreed.
Fett0001 | Posted 7/24/2008 9:55:09 AM | message detail
I really don't like the SunnyX wagon. I find Lefty to be the least justified in his vote, and since SunnyX actually posted decent content, I'll vote Lefty.

##vote:Lefty
ToadYoshi | Posted 7/24/2008 10:19:59 AM | message detail
Unvote BauBeta

According to the textbook, WVI is complete scum and should get the lynch. But as a GM, the thing I see way too often is the good players eating up a new player for making mistakes that are easy for new players to make. Then again, like half the players in this game are new, so lynching new players is going to be inevitable <_<

in other news, someone give me a good argument in favor of voting coffeeninja.

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Coffee Ninja | Posted 7/24/2008 10:31:54 AM | message detail
yeah to clear the air, im Fred-Savage

Coffee Ninja was suspended for a while, so i used that account.
im back on this and my vote stands
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 7/24/2008 10:32:56 AM | message detail
well, at this point its really hard to tell who it could be, and since obviously my last vote was just a joke to get some posting going on, now i am going to switch from a joke vote to something much better: a vote because coffee ninja posting under an alt but being called coffee ninja is FAR TOO CONFUSING considering this game requires me to actually pay attention to what people say, id rather have him gone.

##unvote fett

##vote coffee ninja
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 7/24/2008 10:33:36 AM | message detail
oh thanks for invalidating my post that i cant delete

...dammit.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 7/24/2008 10:36:34 AM | message detail
now that CN is back

##unvote Coffee ninja
##vote whoever the hell sir basch is


i mean really, if you are gonna post with an alt, at least have the name you are being called in the game in your sig.
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Coffee Ninja | Posted 7/24/2008 10:37:38 AM | message detail
and for those ganging up on me, i should say something

If I was scum, wouldnt I stay quiet and jump on the SunnyX bandwagon to save my face, why would I do a random username? It seems like id want people gone if I were scum and in order to do that I should jump on a bandwagon and not vote a random username, cause voting a random username makes myself stick out.

now I need to look at Merc, cause hes turning people against me, thats something a scum would do, turn the eyes AWAY from them..


just think about it
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Billy Blaze | Posted 7/24/2008 10:38:12 AM | message detail
Yea, it's hard to say WVI is scum without proof, especially if he really is as clueless about the game as he says. But at this point, he's given me the most reason to vote for him.

Baubeta is another person that I'd consider, and that more because he's acting pretty anti-town with his "I'll start playing for real tomorrow" stuff. Coffee-Ninja(Fred-Savage?) isn't acting any better at this rate. Besides being confusing with two names, he's given almost no explanation and just randomly picked a target.

With so many new people, it's real hard to see whether people seriously don't know how to play, or are just acting that way in order to shield themselves. Doesn't sound bad to me to get rid of someone who might be acting this way, it can only help us.

Although, at this point, there are quite a few people who've said nothing. Inactivity isn't good at all, I was hoping by now we'd have everyone talking/voting at least. I wouldn't be against voting for one them, either.

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Coffee Ninja | Posted 7/24/2008 10:39:36 AM | message detail
again, i only used Fred-Savage because of my suspension.
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Billy Blaze | Posted 7/24/2008 10:43:04 AM | message detail
damnit, 6 posts in the time I made my own. Coffee Ninja still isn't convincing, but at least you've got some reasoning now. Can you explain your vote for Menji any better though? I don't want to vote someone in the first round without at least some reason, even a small one like inactive.

And as far as I know, Sir Basch is Sir Chris.

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Coffee Ninja | Posted 7/24/2008 10:46:55 AM | message detail
well someone has to go, and his name sticks out, what was the reason for the SunnyX bandwagon?
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/24/2008 10:47:01 AM | message detail
Sir Basch is indeed Sir Chris.

(Also Cyclo's serious votes include trying to lynch people because they confuse him.

are you kidding me that is so stupid.)
potatoesaretubers | Posted 7/24/2008 11:00:27 AM | message detail
This game is going to take forever considering how we still have a bunch of people who haven't shown up. I'm tempted to lynch one of them just so we can get rid of inactives, but I'm going to stick with my vote unless we need to reach a decision very soon. I've never been a fan of day 1 pop psychology, so no way in hell am I going to practice it right now.
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th3l3fty | Posted 7/24/2008 11:13:55 AM | message detail
I really don't like the SunnyX wagon. I find Lefty to be the least justified in his vote, and since SunnyX actually posted decent content, I'll vote Lefty.

You clearly missed that my vote was meant to be a joke, and Sunny's post with content came well after my two posts.

It may look like I'm just voting to "get back" at you, but something about your reasoning doesn't sit well with me.

##unvote SunnyX
##vote: Fett

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ToadYoshi | Posted 7/24/2008 11:19:49 AM | message detail
Tom Bombadil's game over at board 8 hit the second topic before day 1 ended. Of course, some of the players in that game are kinda dumb.

##Vote SSBM

Goin out for the day, leaving my vote on someone until I get back.
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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/24/2008 1:10:51 PM | message detail
Well, after reading up on some posts, and trying to get my bearings in the game, I'm just going to vote on an inactive as a placeholder, until I start doing some more reasoning when it gets closer towards the end of the day.

##VOTE: MZero

That said, what I can figure out from the beginning (maybe, I hope I'm not doing something really stupid in newbie fashion) is that a dice roll would be a pretty simple reason for the scum to fall back on in the beginning to get an early advantage on the townies by eliminating one as a freebie, pretty much, so I need to make a mental note to watch Jack White, Not Dave, and lefty. I know some have changed their vote, but that just makes it more suspicious, imo.

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AsurasKordoth | Posted 7/24/2008 1:12:17 PM | message detail
and for those ganging up on me, i should say something

If I was scum, wouldnt I stay quiet and jump on the SunnyX bandwagon to save my face, why would I do a random username? It seems like id want people gone if I were scum and in order to do that I should jump on a bandwagon and not vote a random username, cause voting a random username makes myself stick out.

now I need to look at Merc, cause hes turning people against me, thats something a scum would do, turn the eyes AWAY from them..


just think about it


My vote on Coffee Ninja stays. This post further convinces me that he is indeed scum. I already explained that voting on a bandwagon would obviously make you scummier than voting randomly. By voting randomly (which again you had no excuse to do given the amount of content that we had at that point) you were basically making it seem like you were there and contributing when you weren't doing anything at all (people obviously weren't going to vote Menji with you because his name sounds like a terrorist.) You've come back to make some odd posts defending yourself but you still haven't clarified your vote at all except for the fact that "his name stands out". In case you didn't notice, Menji was the second person to vote you.

The second to last line in his post is what convinces me the most. He pointed the finger at someone who started a train of votes on him. How very pro-town. "now I need to look at Merc, cause hes turning people against me, thats something a scum would do, turn the eyes AWAY from them.." Nobody at that point (when I voted him) had any reason to suspect me (even SunnyX stated I was on the only vote on his bandwagon that he didn't suspect, considering I started it) so I'm not sure why I would need to turn eyes away from myself. So according to CN anyone who points the finger at someone scummy is obviously just trying to turn the eyes away from themeselves. P.S. I was trying to find scum, that's kind of the point of the whole game for us pro-town players.
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masterplum | Posted 7/24/2008 1:15:52 PM | message detail
Observer post

Suffice to say that I've tried to keep things relatively simple, so most of the roles are fairly basic.

OMG Paranoid Cops

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/24/2008 1:21:20 PM | message detail
got to admit, I agree with merc's logic here. I am usually far more based off "gut" but he scumtelled a ton in that post.

And I am pretty much the best pro town player on AIM mafia, its a fact, look it up.
Not Dave | Posted 7/24/2008 1:35:54 PM | message detail
##UNVOTE: SunnyX

I'm taking this vote away because Sunny came in later I found him to be pretty convincing. I just read over all of the posts, and I think Ngamer's vote has the least reasoning out of all of them so far. It came after Sunny had posted and after AK had withdrawn his vote, both of them with what seem to be strong arguments. But Ngamer's post just seems void of content aside from "hey this guy is scum." So, temporarily at least, I'm going to change my vote:

##VOTE: Ngamer


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Billy Blaze | Posted 7/24/2008 1:42:45 PM | message detail
I agree, Coffee Ninja has done very little to clarify his vote on Menji. That doesn't inspire much confidence.

And regardless of what lefty says, it does just look like you're "getting back" at him. That alone doesn't mean much to me, except maybe that you're taking the vote pretty defensively. Then again, I would expect most people, regardless of side, to be somewhat defensive; No one wants to die.

Thing is, we're still missing a couple, and a bunch more haven't said anything since the start. I'm still thinking WVI, just because his posts seem either overly newish or overly scummish. Not sure if that's proper, but I just don't trust anyone who's too openly "lol am I doing this right?" Just gives me a bad feeling.

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baubeta | Posted 7/24/2008 1:50:49 PM | message detail
Not Dave people.

NOT. DAVE.
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SunnyX | Posted 7/24/2008 3:01:38 PM | message detail
A WVI vote wouldn't be that bad. In the end, for most of the people here this is probably their first time playing Mafia, but WVI seems to be the only one that's used that as an excuse for most of his posts.

As for the people that haven't posted yet, given the nature of this challenge, we should probably let them go. I'm not sure how Ed's working this in the Mafia, but we all know that if they don't post two bits of information today they miss out on the two points for the WWYD. Maybe they'll end up getting mod killed because of their inactivity, and if not we have an easy target for tomorrow.

But for now, I feel safe with ##VOTE: Coffee Ninja. Pretty much everything Asuras said, plus the fact that he said "If I was scum...", which is never a good thing in my books.
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Fett0001 | Posted 7/24/2008 3:16:27 PM | message detail
So, lefty countervotes, even though he realizes it's a countervote?

"If i was scum..." is the worst argument ever, CNinja. Don't use it.

But worst of all is toad's vote on SSBM, because toad's leaving? WTF?
##Vote: Toadyoshi
Fett0001 | Posted 7/24/2008 3:17:28 PM | message detail
Just to clarify for ed,

##unvote: lefty
##Vote: Toadyoshi
Coffee Ninja | Posted 7/24/2008 3:21:39 PM | message detail
do what you want to do guys, you'll find out you were wrong about me. im not good at pleading my case anyway, i joined this knowing i was going to suck cause I'm no good at Mafia, so this is really unsuprising to me
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Coffee Ninja | Posted 7/24/2008 3:35:13 PM | message detail
##UNVOTE: Menji



Im channging my vote, due to me picking Menji at random and trying to be funny (and failing to do so).

Anyways, since im probably going down, I may as well do my best to try and drag Merc's name through the mud, hes seems to be trying IMO too hard to lead some sort of charge, and the end of his last post where he said "us pro-town players" just smelle dkinda funny to me, do you need to clarify your a "pro-town player" i dont know...maybe, but it all strikes me as odd, plus i can be a venegful bastard, and I have nothing to really lose since everyone hates me anyway, I may as well go balls to the wall.

##VOTE: AsurasKordoth

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SSBM_Guy | Posted 7/24/2008 4:12:22 PM | message detail
First of all, not liking the people who are joke voting and then sticking to it. Joke votes are always good for a laugh or to start discussion on Day 1, but that's it. And yet, I still see some people sticking to their joke votes. Not exactly scummy, but more of a bad townie-feel. Not as bad as scum, but still not exactly a good thing.

Coffee Ninja is just yelling out scum in every direction. Sticking with a joke post and tried to bandwagon with it, "If I was scum...", not really discussing anything except for the people who voted for him (Menji, Merc), bad defense argument...not only that, but he said that he pretty much gave up on this game and want us to lynch him. However, this could be a trap if he's a bomb. ...But I highly doubt that Coffee Ninja would do something like that.

##Vote: Coffee Ninja
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Coffee Ninja | Posted 7/24/2008 4:42:09 PM | message detail
im not giving up, i dont know what to say to convince anyone, cause I dont play Mafia, so whatever I say is just void and null
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th3l3fty | Posted 7/24/2008 6:05:28 PM | message detail
Whoa, I completely missed the "if I was scum..." argument.

And now that he's gone and countervoted Merc (/hypocrisy), he looks a lot worse than anybody else does at the moment.

##unvote: Fett
##vote: Coffee Ninja

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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/24/2008 9:25:55 PM | message detail
SunnyX (1): (AsurasKordoth), (lefty), (Not Dave), (Jack White), Ngamer
Fett (0): (Cyclo), (lefty)
Not Dave (1): baubeta
baubeta (1): (ToadYoshi), The Raven 2
Jack White (1): (GameBopAdv), WVI
Menji (0): (Coffee Ninja)
WVI (2): Redtooth, tubers
Coffee Ninja (7): AsurasKordoth, Menji, GameBopAdv, Sir Chris, (Cyclo), SunnyX, SSBM, lefty
AsurasKordoth (1): (Sir Chris), Coffee Ninja
lefty (0): (Fett)
Sir Chris (1): Cyclo
SSBM (1): ToadYoshi
MZero (1): MrSmartGuy
Ngamer (1): Not Dave
ToadYoshi (1): Fett


With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

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AsurasKordoth | Posted 7/24/2008 10:28:34 PM | message detail
By the way, Coffee Ninja, if you had to point out one person who was most likely scum (besides me, lol) and one person who was most likely town, who would they be and why? Just curious.
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Forceful Dragon | Posted 7/24/2008 10:37:23 PM | message detail
Checking in. (just got word of this starting)

Haven't read all the way through yet, gonna get on that soon.


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Ngamer64 | Posted 7/25/2008 12:24:26 AM | message detail
##UNVOTE: SunnyX

Still not entirely sold on Sunny, but I'll let him off the hook for now, in order to apply a more deserving hook.

##VOTE: MrSmartGuy

Either this Wise Guy doesn't know that we exist, or he's just lying in the weeds like the scummy guy he is. Whichever it is, he could use a good neck lengthening, IMO.

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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/25/2008 1:51:41 AM | message detail
Who is "we" supposed to mean? The entire town? This mafia game? I've already posted here, if you missed it.
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Menji76 | Posted 7/25/2008 1:55:26 AM | message detail
I think he must have missed your post. I took it meaning that you weren't posting.

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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/25/2008 2:07:00 AM | message detail
That's not the way I read it at first, but after trying to decipher what he meant, that's pretty easy to see that's what he meant. Maybe. Then again, maybe there's something I'm not aware of yet. Hopefully, it's the former.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/25/2008 11:23:50 AM | message detail
Just a reminder that Day 1 ends around 5:30 PM EST. Better get those discussion posts in if you haven't already!
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Jack White | Posted 7/25/2008 1:35:29 PM | message detail
##Vote: Coffee Ninja

I'm yet to see a convincing defense from him despite a whole bunch of suspicions.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/25/2008 3:02:34 PM | message detail
Less than a half hour remains.
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Pats D | Posted 7/25/2008 3:31:46 PM | message detail
Night. Stop posting (shouldn't be too hard for you guys).
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/25/2008 3:43:35 PM | message detail
SunnyX (1): (AsurasKordoth), (lefty), (Not Dave), (Jack White), (Ngamer)
Fett (0): (Cyclo), (lefty)
Not Dave (1): baubeta
baubeta (1): (ToadYoshi), The Raven 2
Jack White (1): (GameBopAdv), WVI
Menji (0): (Coffee Ninja)
WVI (2): Redtooth, tubers
Coffee Ninja (8): AsurasKordoth, Menji, GameBopAdv, Sir Chris, (Cyclo), SunnyX, SSBM, lefty, Jack White
AsurasKordoth (1): (Sir Chris), Coffee Ninja
lefty (0): (Fett)
Sir Chris (1): Cyclo
SSBM (1): ToadYoshi
MZero (1): MrSmartGuy
Ngamer (1): Not Dave
ToadYoshi (1): Fett
MrSmartGuy (1): Ngamer

Day One on the board saw practically everyone receive at least one vote at one point or another, many with little to no discernible logic behind them. One person stood out like a sore thumb, however. Wearing a clown’s nose and ranting about CATS CATS CATS, Coffee Ninja was overpowered from the start. As his lifeless body hung from the tree, a final laugh echoed from his dead mouth… a fitting end to such a life.

Coffee Ninja has been lynched. He was sephsblade, Town “Fool.”

It is now night. You cannot post anything with meaningful content until day has broken. Night lasts for roughly 24 hours or until everyone has sent in their night actions (if night takes longer than the latter, expect it to begin later as I’ve got work tomorrow night). To send in your action, email me at therestwokratoses@yahoo.com.


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nintendogirl1 | Posted 7/25/2008 3:44:31 PM | message detail
I love how they got an 8 vote lynch and no discussion at all and we got double the talk and half the vote count.
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SunnyX | Posted 7/25/2008 3:47:34 PM | message detail
I love pie.
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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/25/2008 3:54:14 PM | message detail
What was the town fool's role?
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/25/2008 3:55:08 PM | message detail
That will be revealed at the end of the game.
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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/25/2008 3:55:34 PM | message detail
OK, never mind.
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potatoesaretubers | Posted 7/25/2008 6:35:43 PM | message detail
Being a catfreak = fool confirmed.
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SunnyX | Posted 7/26/2008 12:13:36 AM | message detail
Just a note, I probably won't be on much tomorrow till later at night, if at all. Family reunion and whatnot.
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WVl | Posted 7/26/2008 4:06:34 PM | message detail
Wait, it's day two now?

Alright then.
ScorpionX3 | Posted 7/26/2008 4:07:48 PM | message detail
Shh it's still night until Ed says the contrary.
WVl | Posted 7/26/2008 4:30:53 PM | message detail
I have an interesting theory. Y'see, last round, I made a bunch of awkward comments about how I don't understand the game. The reason I deleted that post "yesterday" was because when I realized that only the mafia knows each other, it'd make my role of town orbvious. If I'd known that town was the wanted status, I wouldn't have deleted it. Here it is in my mod history:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5280/86014955ce5.png
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4507/26906078rn9.png
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/moddetl.php?board=8&topic=44504803&mod=7057497&user=3445331

You have my word that this wasn't Photoshopped, nor did I plan this ahead of time(unfortunately, my word is all I can offer, since I can't think of a way to prove this at the moment). But what if you don't trust me? There's another way to be almost certain.

Last round, Redtooth seemed pretty certain that I was scum. And I guess given my antics up until now, I do fit the bill. But there's a problem: I'm not scum. I'm town. And I think he was using my cluelessness as easy leverage. Basically, there's a huge chance that he and I are on opposite teams(I could be wrong, but let's roll with this plan). Here's how I suggest we find out: We vote Redtooth this round. If I'm right and he's scum, great. If I'm wrong, you know whose ass to kick next.

##Vote: Redtooth

This game is amazing now that I understand it. I love psychology.
WVl | Posted 7/26/2008 4:31:26 PM | message detail
Gkkt...So it's not day two?

X_x

Now my last post just looks awkward.
WVl | Posted 7/26/2008 4:36:27 PM | message detail
Oh, and it should be mentioned that anyone who doesn't vote Redtooth based on this plan either doesn't want a faulty end result, which is certainly possible...or they're just ignoring me for some reason.

>:D
WVl | Posted 7/26/2008 4:47:10 PM | message detail
" You cannot post anything with meaningful content until day has broken."

**** **** ****

HOW DO I ONLY MISS THINGS WHICH ARE IN PLAIN BOLD
Ngamer64 | Posted 7/26/2008 4:56:21 PM | message detail
One of the more enjoyably awkward 4 post combos I've read this year.

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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 7/26/2008 4:57:53 PM | message detail
>_> *pats wvi* im sure ed wont hurt you too much.
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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/26/2008 5:40:16 PM | message detail
Was I the only one sitting here wondering how long it would take him to realize what he did?
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Menji76 | Posted 7/26/2008 6:33:57 PM | message detail
oh wow

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Not Dave | Posted 7/26/2008 7:11:06 PM | message detail
hahaha. but for reals, when's day two gonna start?


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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/26/2008 7:57:11 PM | message detail
Sorry gang, I was at work. WVI gets a big old shifty face and a slap on the wrist from me. >___>

As morning breaks, the users of Board 8 - who all live together for some reason - convene to find two corpses: one of ambiguous gender, and the other alllll male and dead sexy.

Forceful Dragon has been killed. He was pikaness, Mafia Stripper/Roleblocker.
CycloReaper has been killed. He was The SEP, Town Stripper/Roleblocker.



List of players:
1. AsurasKordoth
2. baubeta
5. Fett
7. GameBopAdv
8. Jack White
9. lefty
10. Menji
11. MrSmartGuy
12. MZero
13. Ngamer
14. Not Dave
15. potatoesaretubers
16. Redtooth
17. Sir Chris
18. SSBM
19. SunnyX
20. The Raven 2
21. ToadYoshi
22. WVI


With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Day 2 ends in roughly 48 hours.
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th3l3fty | Posted 7/26/2008 8:11:13 PM | message detail
whoa, dead mafia
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ScorpionX3 | Posted 7/26/2008 8:17:55 PM | message detail
lol FD you died in both games.

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Ngamer64 | Posted 7/26/2008 8:29:15 PM | message detail
Alright, now that we have these new pieces of info, let's see what they tell us.

FD as it turns out was an important member of the mafia. But, he didn't cast a vote yesterday, and in fact only made one post in the topic, without any content. Also, no one voted to lynch him at all. Doesn't leave us with anything to go on, unfortunately.

Interestingly enough, Cyclo had the same role, so he was an equally important member of the Town. And what did Cyclo do yesterday? Cast a vote to have Sir Chris lynched. Chris took offense in the topic, and then Cyclo wound up dead the next morning. In addition, Chris was one of the first to jump on the Cninja bandwagon once it became apparent that there would be a good chance to get a townie lynched off the bat.

In my mind this is more than enough to cast suspicion on Chris, and so I'm going to say

##Vote:Sir Chris

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Fett0001 | Posted 7/26/2008 9:16:37 PM | message detail
Your logic makes sense, Ngamer, but my gut says that Chris would be aware of how the kill would appear. I doubt that he would kill him as mafia, solely for voting him.

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th3l3fty | Posted 7/26/2008 9:28:06 PM | message detail
The question is, did the mafia kill Cyclo in an attempt to frame Sir Chris, or was Chris hoping we'd suspect that and divert our attention?
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Not Dave | Posted 7/26/2008 9:31:18 PM | message detail
yeah, i'm finding it hard to suspect chris for that. considering cyclo was the only person voted that for him, it would just be too fishy for chris to push to get rid of him.

i'm not really sure who to vote for yet, i'll have to read over "yesterday's" posts again.


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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 7/26/2008 9:33:54 PM | message detail
so um ed

do i get the points for this <_<
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Not Dave | Posted 7/26/2008 9:35:51 PM | message detail
"that voted for him", rather.


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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/26/2008 9:38:27 PM | message detail
From Cyclo_Reaper Posted 7/26/2008 11:33:54 PM #122
so um ed

do i get the points for this <_<


uhhh your posts were either joke votes or voting for people because their names confused you

you tell me
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Coffee Ninja | Posted 7/26/2008 9:44:03 PM | message detail
for that matter, i get points right? I tried to defend my case...
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 7/26/2008 9:48:04 PM | message detail
...so yes?

i mean, i had atleast two substantive posts, i dont really remember any rule for getting points saying "you must vote along with the crowd and their baseless hypothesis on the first day when you cant possible actually be able to figure out anything"
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Not Dave | Posted 7/26/2008 9:49:39 PM | message detail
So all of the people that voted for CNinja are:

Coffee Ninja (8): AsurasKordoth, Menji, GameBopAdv, Sir Chris, SunnyX, SSBM, lefty, Jack White

at least a couple of these guys have to be mafia. as i said earlier, i'm not suspecting chris.

AK jumped right on to vote against Ninja after he voted against Menji, and then Menji also voted CNinja soon after. That looks pretty shady considering Menji's reasoning was that Ninja hadn't posted yet, but he never said anything after realizing that he made a mistake. This started the bandwagon against Coffee, and I find it pretty suspicious. I'm not sold on anything yet, though. I have to make a judgment on who I think was just hopping on the bandwagon because they legitimately thought he was scum, and who did so to get rid of a townie.


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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/26/2008 10:20:15 PM | message detail
Right now, I'm just wondering whether we should start going after those who look suspicious (though it may be a trap), or should we start knocking off people who aren't playing? Or would that be better for one side or the other? God damn, I wish I knew more of how this works. I'm having a really fun time, though, so that's something.
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Not Dave | Posted 7/26/2008 10:23:57 PM | message detail
the people who aren't playing aren't killing us, so i think they can stay put 'til ed gives them the boot.


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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/26/2008 10:26:22 PM | message detail
Maybe they can die of starvation, since they're, like, not talking.....

Or something. That sounded a lot better in my head, tbh.

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SSBM_Guy | Posted 7/26/2008 10:46:55 PM | message detail
Eh...I think Chris is smarter than that to kill someone who voted for him. It seems very unlike him. But then again, there's really no other reason to kill Cyclo. Well, I guess Mafia could have killed him to cast suspicion on Chris. As for the Coffee thing...well, it was a reasonable choice to pick for a lynch. While he wasn't scum, he didn't seem like he would contribute all that much. Plus, his role is pretty anti-town. Picking a random person to lynch is just a bad role overall. It's possible that some people bandwagoned on Coffee. Anyone who voted him without any reason is under suspicion.

A final thing that I would want to investigate is FD's death. He didn't post at all yesterday, I believe and yet, he was killed. And guess what? He flipped scum. I think this proves that we should be wary of inactives and not completely let them off the hook. And so, I ask for a list of everyone that hasn't posted or didn't post anything that contributed to the discussion (Checking in, joke votes, etc.).
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baubeta | Posted 7/26/2008 10:49:16 PM | message detail
I'm actually a fan of the Sir Chris vote.

The idea that "He argued with guy X, there's no way he'd kill him" is perfect mafia logic for day one. Sir Chris knows that over half the players here are newbs and likely could get away with it.

I'll stick with ##Vote: Not Dave by default and change if something comes up.
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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/26/2008 11:11:21 PM | message detail
Wait, what if Not Dave said that because he knows that a few people who aren't playing are mafia, and thinks he can get away with trying to manipulate me because I'm new? Grr, TOO MANY PEOPLE TO KEEP MY EYE ON!!!
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WVl | Posted 7/27/2008 12:46:13 AM | message detail
"WVI gets a big old shifty face and a slap on the wrist from me. >___>"

I'm surprised you haven't kicked me out yet. <_<
WVl | Posted 7/27/2008 12:52:11 AM | message detail
I can't imagine this being revenge on Sir Chris's part. Logically, it's a dumb thing to do, and that Bobeta thinks it's brilliant kind of makes me suspect him...though it could be true.
GameBopAdv | Posted 7/27/2008 1:02:07 AM | message detail
Heh....this is probably because I'm new to this but right now it just seems like everybody is atleast a bit suspicious to me...

I mean I do have some certain suspicions about some people but it's nothing very big or definite.......so I'm gonna wait and see if anything interesting happens within the next couple of days to make someone look like scum.......
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SSBM_Guy | Posted 7/27/2008 2:04:39 AM | message detail
Even if you think it isn't big, it might be pretty interesting. You should always talk about your suspicions. It could be a very huge clue. So yeah, go on and talk. Always helps to have more discussion.

In other news, I'm not going to be here tomorrow. Sorry about this.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/27/2008 2:09:45 AM | message detail
Hm, decent logic for suspecting me, but faulty. People know I suck as mafia, I wouldn't sink so low as to kill someone like cyclo who doesn't even play the game on AIM. I think I can narrow the list of suspects down a bit by the fact that they killed cyclo of all people. Hm, it'd be a poor frame job to be honest, so I have my doubts that anyone on AIM would be a part of that, but FD flipped mafia, and he knows just how good I am at nailing mafia (I nail him all the time just by hunch, I am very scary good).

I don't like Ngamer's vote on me, because it is far too straight forward thinking. Not saying scummy or anything, but like I said to begin, it is faulty. I don't kill people who argue with me as mafia. that's like, suicide. Also a lot of you are newbs yes, but there are enough good AIM players to call me on this if they genuinely thought I'd do something that stupid.

I have been playing mafia for many years, I dislike it when people are stupid and vote for stupid reasons, it annoys me and it defies all logic to even start off a game with joke voting. It is bad. Then again, considering his role, maybe it had something to do with it.

I am going to sleep now, as it is very late, I only ask that you don't kill me while I slumber, as that'd be lame.

Now, if I was looking at posts that struck me as bad, I'd go with baubeta. On AIM I never have liked it when someone wants to vote a certain way (or so they claim) and then place another vote. You should only vote if you have a good faith basis that this is a strong target for scum, unless you have another ploy going on. But that doesn't seem the case here, he wants to vote for me, but doesn't. that is just weird.

Also GBA's message above mine is scary bad hesitant. Do not like the tone.

Also regarding WVI's idiot night message: Scummy. "Lynch him, if I am wrong, lynch me" at best he is being honest and the one guy is scum, and you end up being lucky. usually both are town and both get lynched, worst case wvi is mafia being fed things, redtooth gets lynched, and wvi squirms his way out of being lynched tomorrow.

btw, don't judge a wagon of 8 and say there has to be a lot of scum, sometimes mafia can just sit back and let a paranoid town do the work for them, don't assume anything ND, even if it is very tempting.

Also I don't usually like to post all my suspicions in short order, but I figure board mafia is a tad different, and thus worthy of a change of tactic.
AsurasKordoth | Posted 7/27/2008 2:16:35 AM | message detail
Does anyone know what the role "Fool" does by the way? I'm thinking he was supposed to act stupid/scummy based on what happened. >>. Nothing much left to add especialy since its 4am. Except I don't think trying to figure out who is Mafia based on the kills is a good idea at all. Smart mafia would kill those who they think are likely to be power roles... not people who don't like them. Not sure how I feel about Chris but he definitely doesn't seem scummier to me as a result of that death.

Also, I maintain that Coffee Ninja was scummy as hell so it wouldn't surprise me if there were a good number of mafia on that lynch. If there are two factions, they would probably have thought he was from the other faction and jumped on the bandwagon for an easy pass as looking like town...
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SunnyX | Posted 7/27/2008 4:22:49 AM | message detail
Fool can apparently only cast votes randomly, or at least that's what mafiawiki states. The fact that the role is in parentheses sets me off a bit though, but this is supposed to be a rather basic mafia. By that same logic I can also assume that we probably don't have two fractions, but a vig seems just basic enough to be a possibility. Of course, if we suddenly get a crazy amount of deaths, I'll be much more open to the idea.

Now, given that the fact that no one has been mod killed because of inactivity yet, I feel safe with ##VOTE: MZero to apply a bit of pressure. He hasn't said...anything as of yet, so needless to say he probably won't have much of a problem continuing this trend. Really, just some kind of confirmation that you're done with this game so we could get a replacement for you would be awesome at this point, if replacements are even possible in this game.
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WVl | Posted 7/27/2008 5:11:33 AM | message detail
"Also regarding WVI's idiot night message: Scummy. 'Lynch him, if I am wrong, lynch me' at best he is being honest and the one guy is scum, and you end up being lucky. usually both are town and both get lynched, worst case wvi is mafia being fed things, redtooth gets lynched, and wvi squirms his way out of being lynched tomorrow."

I figured I was confident enough to where I'd be willing to gamble one scum for two town.
Ed Bellis | Posted 7/27/2008 9:29:17 AM | message detail
Sir Chris (1): Ngamer
Not Dave (1): baubeta
MZero (1): SunnyX

If Wivvie still wants to vote Redtooth, he’ll have to do so again.

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Topic Protector | Posted 7/27/2008 9:58:17 AM | message detail
So, I'll assume WVI post from the night 'holds' or whatever. Now, my initial reaction was just a re-affirmation of what I was thinking before. He counter-voted on me because I spoke out against him yesterday and essentially said "Vote for Redtooth or you're scum too!" That's a pretty aggressive stance. And he'll just try and find a way to weasel out of it again.

But two points make me reconsider. First, he did post it at night by accident. Most of my claims that he might be faking his newbness just went out the window, which was a lot of my reasoning that he might be scum. The other is, besides people chuckling at him, no one has really said much about it but Chris, and he also saw how scummy it was. If WVI was mafia, I feel at least one of their members would have made some sort of side-comment supporting him, or trying to bring the convo towards me again. Makes me think that we're both townies, with the mafia sitting back and letting us fight each other. Would make sense for them too, if either of us die and flip town, the other is likely to die too. That'd be two lynches on townies, we're probably doing them too much of a favor for any of them to interrupt. So I won't vote WVI, for now at least.

About the fool, I'm sure there must have been some more to it. At some point, he switched his vote to AsurasKordoth, which doesn't seem random at all, since he had started the vote on him. Not too sure what to make of it.

About Sir Chris, I agree it appears too easy. But the setup is equally questionable. Were the mafia trying to frame Chris then? Seems possible, but that's pretty straight-forward as well. I don't think they'd target Chris for that, either, as he has more mafia experience than most of the other people here. That said, he could also be using this as a manipulation ploy. If he were scum, he could easily organize Cyclo death so he himself would appear as the only suspect. Everyone figures that it's too obvious, and he gets off looking innocent for the rest of the game, having been 'framed' earlier by the mafia. Hiding in plain sight and all.

At least, it seems like something he could do, something he probably has enough experience to pull off. But if I'm wrong, that's because the mafia really is pretty new and hadn't thought this all the way through. After seeing people yesterday, that wouldn't be too hard to believe.

For now, my strongest suspicion falls on those least active. Yesterday, I was willing to believe they were just that, not really doing much to hurt or help. But FD was their roleblocker, and he obviously saw the thread, even though he just "checked in." I don't want other mafia members to hide by lurking. Won't make a vote until there's been some more chance for people to talk.

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Not Dave | Posted 7/27/2008 10:50:40 AM | message detail
btw, don't judge a wagon of 8 and say there has to be a lot of scum, sometimes mafia can just sit back and let a paranoid town do the work for them, don't assume anything ND, even if it is very tempting.

ah, damn. good point. now i have to go back to reviewing everyone's posts.


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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/27/2008 10:50:54 AM | message detail
I'm pretty convinced at this point, that we probably need to start weeding out those not participating, so I'm going to go ahead and place my vote on...

##VOTE: MZero

At least temporarily. Then he's going to turn out to be the doctor or something and I go next. >_>

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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/27/2008 10:56:04 AM | message detail
Okay, since SSBM said to discuss stuff I noticed...I will...

Day one, baubeta voted for Not Dave for a seemingly random reason...and two people found this suspicious and placed their votes on him because of this suspicious action.

He later replies saying
"Ya, it was me just guessing around.

Day two I'll start playing for realisies.

...Oh wait.

NOT DAVE IS THE ****ING SCUM AND HE WILL BURN!
"

I'm not entirely sure what baubeta has against NotDave...but this grudge just seems a bit odd to me.
He says "Day two I'll start playing for realsies."

And yet when day two, he still votes Not Dave again at the start anyway.
Sure he says he could change if something comes up....but this just seems odd to me.

Of course it could be because I'm new with this, but I'm just saying what I see suspicious.

One other thing I found suspicious about him was in that very post he also seems to place suspicion on Sir Chris because "The idea that "He argued with guy X, there's no way he'd kill him" is perfect mafia logic for day one. Sir Chris knows that over half the players here are newbs and likely could get away with it."
...and yet he still votes Not Dave anyway...

...Eh, I really don't know much about mafia but he just strikes me as being suspicious right now...
>__>
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Not Dave | Posted 7/27/2008 11:03:46 AM | message detail
i just took it as a friendly wwyd competitive attitude considering that we both were in it when it ended last time, but you're right that it does seem somewhat suspicious. and him placing suspicion on both chris and i in one post is tricky, too.


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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/27/2008 11:05:09 AM | message detail
........One other thing....
...while it did turn out that one person who posted only once and said basically nothing adding to discussion....I think it would be silly to now assume that all other silent ones are Mafia too...because one of them has turned out to be mafia....I think that basically all users would have the same random chance of being Mafia chosen by Ed Bellis or something...and that would likely be somewhere around 1/3 of everyone is randomly chosen as mafia...........and I just think that whoever killed FD got really lucky that they managed to randomly choose one of the quiet posters and they just happened to be mafia......so....I don't think that we should be going for more of the silent ones......because we really wouldn't have anything to base them for being mafia except by random chance...........

Ofcourse I could be missing something totally obvious here and if so I'd truly like someone to explain it to me...............
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Fett0001 | Posted 7/27/2008 11:09:18 AM | message detail
If people aren't playing, and don't send in actions or whatever, they need to be replaced or modkilled. Town can ill afford to waste all its lynches on inactives.

I'm going to vote Baubeta, for trying to pick the WIFOM, and for refusing to vote his suspicions.

##vote: baubeta

@MrSmartGuy

Rather than vote a random inactive, why don't you try dicussing why those "suspicious" people are such. Not a good thing.

You come in here today and effectively say "I'm afraid to vote people that I think are scum, lets lynch inactives in hope that we get one randomly."
Since scum can tell other scum to get in here and post, scum can come in, throw off the inactivity concerns and then we lynch a quiet townie, who was out of town for the day or something.
potatoesaretubers | Posted 7/27/2008 11:35:04 AM | message detail
Although it seems shady in terms of the spirit of the game, I can't help but feel that the other scum told WVI to bumble so that he can play off of his day 1 mistake, just so we can cast off our suspicions. I won't vote for him, but it's still iffy.

I'm not a fan of voting off inactives at this point since FD got killed as scum; I'd think that the other scum would get off their asses and make sure the vigilante doesn't go after them.

Sir Chris seems like an overly obvious setup.

My biggest suspicion at this point is AK, but I have to go to my dad's house for his birthday now, so I'll detail my feelings whenever I get back.
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Jack White | Posted 7/27/2008 12:04:54 PM | message detail
XD @ wivvie's 4 post combo

tubers brings up a good possibility of it being him playing newb to cast off suspicion, but that would be a bit risky. I mean Ed could easily have mod-killed him for those 4 posts. >_>

the Sir Chris thing looks obvious, but since he's a mafia veteran he could easily be playing a double bluff.

going to withold my vote for now.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/27/2008 1:38:09 PM | message detail
Just woke up, feel free to kill me now! :D

Anyway I didn't say this earlier but it doesn't even have to be a set up. Maybe one of the mafia smelled power role on cyclo a mile away and decided he'd be best in the ground. Maybe they happened to random him with a dart. It is very hard to guess mafia's motives so early in the game, mostly because they don't need a rhyme to their reason early game often, just kill people and hope for the best.

Now that I will be up for a bit...

##Vote: Baubeta

As I said early this morning, I find it ultimately terrible when people cast a suspicion on someone and then vote someone else for the giggles. "Hey guys, I am voting this way now, but if that wagon gets going, I'll be ready to hop on and you know it, because I basically just said that!"

It is very scummy. I don't like scum. Let's kill it =)
MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/27/2008 1:48:21 PM | message detail
I will say that whoever did kill off Cyclo is a freakin' genius. There are so many different ways for everyone to jump to conclusions that it confuses us like no other. I'd be willing to bet that whoever instigated this is pretty experienced in mafia, meaning a few, or at least one very experienced player here has to be scum.

Unless, like Chris said, they just picked someone randomly, but that's way too much of a coincidence for me to take lightly.

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baubeta | Posted 7/27/2008 1:51:08 PM | message detail
<_< I'll cut the joke stuff off now.

##Unvote: Not Dave
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/27/2008 2:01:19 PM | message detail
Yeah when we vote you you "cut the joke stuff"

a bit too late for that <_<

Plus you want to vote for me but still haven't, so was that a joke?
Topic Protector | Posted 7/27/2008 2:17:59 PM | message detail
Baubeta really doesn't inspire much confidence. He just doesn't seem to be taking it seriously in any way. I can understand voting randomly as a joke on the first day against a rival, but he brought it back the next day. Now he's finally "stopped joking" with votes against him. But he still hasn't made any substantive posts, still hasn't defended himself at all and just seems like a negative in general. I don't know what he's trying to pull, but it's just annoying me at this point. If we hadn't already lost the fool, I'd say he was acting a lot like one. >_>

##Vote:Baubeta

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ToadYoshi | Posted 7/27/2008 2:43:41 PM | message detail
will say that whoever did kill off Cyclo is a freakin' genius. There are so many different ways for everyone to jump to conclusions that it confuses us like no other.

Uh, we would have done that pretty much regardless of who they killed. The best plan is to not confuse ourselves thinking "why would they do that??" when it was probably just mostly random anyway.

Also, WVI: I went into today 100% intending to vote for him. But then I saw the 4-combo, with so many errors in it, he has finally convinced me that he is indeed just a n00b. No reasonable mafia would tell their friend to do stuff like that, bumble around to look like a n00b. Too risky, he exposes himself a high % of the time. Therefore WVI has ridiculously gained my trust as a citizen for now.

Night killing does not implicate Sir Chris. 1 vote on day 1 means nothing, mafia only kills to get rid of troublesome cits late in the game, when their vote would actually make a difference. I see no problems with Sir Chris right now, if I had to guess I would guess cit.

And finally we come to BauBeta. Like Coffeeninja, he made one bad vote and everyone jumped on him for it. But then he did it again the next day, which was stupid. Stupid enough to make me think otherwise.

##vote: BauBeta

And if we miss just hope the vig bails us out again <_<
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/27/2008 2:48:59 PM | message detail
There ain't no getting off of this train now!

Without a claim.

I think we can agree that baubeta is an idiot or scum, and his lynch is gaining momentum.

Claim what your role is, if you would.
Not Dave | Posted 7/27/2008 2:54:57 PM | message detail
i'd like to see a couple more posts from the less active players before making a decision today. particularly The Raven 2 - his only vote was a copy vote five minutes after ToadYoshi's on day one, and he never reappeared to back it up when requested.


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Sir Basch | Posted 7/27/2008 3:06:11 PM | message detail
eh, the thing is though it is hard to tell if people are just busy and are not checking in as often as they would like. If we keep waiting around for a few people we get less done. I leave it to my scanning role friends to weed out the people who are busy and the scum who are trying to lie low. It is a lot harder to do that on board than to do it on AIM, which is real time.

Although whoever shot FD didn't seem to have that problem.
Sir Basch | Posted 7/27/2008 4:11:06 PM | message detail
Oh, and while I am around, I would like to say this now just in case the day proceeds quickly and I should happen to die tonight for whatever reason: I am around 75% sure GBA is scum based off instinct alone. I have nothing to base this on but pure instinct, and I urge no one to react to this today, but file my hunch away for later if need be.
Menji76 | Posted 7/27/2008 4:45:37 PM | message detail
Wow lots of stuff! I'm gonna see X-Files right now but I can't wait to get back and read up on everything.

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Not Dave | Posted 7/27/2008 5:21:17 PM | message detail
alright, i'm gonna send a vote baubeta's way at least until something else starts to form. i'm not entirely sold on him being scum yet, so we'll see where this leads.

##vote: Baubeta


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th3l3fty | Posted 7/27/2008 5:24:55 PM | message detail
Since it looks like people want to force a confession, I guess the best thing to do right now is add to the pressure.

##vote: baubeta
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th3l3fty | Posted 7/27/2008 5:25:21 PM | message detail
'whoops' forgot to bold

##vote: baubeta
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baubeta | Posted 7/27/2008 7:14:15 PM | message detail
Vote:BauBeta

lol, two points and I don't have to play this stupid game anymore.

You guys sure are making it easy for Coffee and Me to win the real competition.

THX.
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baubeta | Posted 7/27/2008 7:21:08 PM | message detail
Note: I'm not scum and I actually planned to play the game from the point I un-jokevoted Not Dave.

Just making sure I get my points cause I did kinda joke around.
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Fett0001 | Posted 7/27/2008 7:24:33 PM | message detail
Not playing to win. Should be modkilled me thinks.
potatoesaretubers | Posted 7/27/2008 7:47:15 PM | message detail
I don't think Baubeta is scum and so I won't vote for him, but way to kill the spirit of the game.

So after rereading posts, there's been someone who's added pretty much nothing to the conversations and has jumped on rolling bandwagons. Either very scummy or very unhelpful. In either case:

##VOTE: th3l3fty
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/27/2008 7:49:57 PM | message detail
...y'know, playing to win is one of the rules that you have to follow to get the points.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/27/2008 7:54:23 PM | message detail
lol no points for him

modkill him, ed.
Jack White | Posted 7/27/2008 7:56:33 PM | message detail
well I'm not really sure what to say after that, other than:

##vote: baubeta

hopefully that doesn't kill the game completely...
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Jack White | Posted 7/27/2008 7:57:13 PM | message detail
a modkill is fine too
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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/27/2008 8:16:46 PM | message detail
##Unvote: MZero
##Vote: baubeta

And if you turn out to be town, I swear to God....

People like you really take the fun out of everything, and even if you're using some strange tactic and you really are scum, it's still good riddance either way.

Or should I take that vote off and make you play some more? Nah, this works.

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Coffee Ninja | Posted 7/27/2008 8:20:05 PM | message detail
hey, I tried Ed.....if your gonna punish baubeta for his comment, dont drag me down with him...
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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/27/2008 8:20:08 PM | message detail
I'm going to say this right now...

...Does anyone else find it odd that the mafia doesn't seem to be taking any steps at all with everyone voting for baubeta?...

...I mean, if baubeta really was part of the mafia, I would kinda think that someone would atleast try to change people's attention to go after someone else or something......

...Just what I'm thinking right now...

...dunno how many more votes baubeta needs to be lynched though.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/27/2008 8:22:42 PM | message detail
First things first, though:

MZero has been modkilled. He will be replaced by kaonashi1.
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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/27/2008 8:25:48 PM | message detail
.... or, you could just be saying that, as you're their representative to try to throw suspicion off of him by leading us on.

I'M SO CONFUSED!!!

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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/27/2008 8:26:57 PM | message detail
Is this kaonashi guy here now, perchance?
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kaonashi1 | Posted 7/27/2008 8:32:58 PM | message detail
Now I am. What seems to be the trouble? I can't give much input yet, as I haven't really read through the topic.
Ed Bellis | Posted 7/27/2008 8:39:36 PM | message detail
Sir Chris (1): Ngamer
Not Dave (0): (baubeta)
MZero/kaon (1): SunnyX, (MrSmartGuy)
baubeta (9): Fett, Sir Chris, Redtooth, ToadYoshi, Not Dave, lefty, baubeta, Jack White, MrSmartGuy
lefty (1): tubers

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.
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SunnyX | Posted 7/27/2008 8:40:47 PM | message detail
Well, just in case Ed's carrying over votes, ##Unvote: MZero/kaonashi1. And at this point we're really just looking for your suspicions. Who looks scummy, who seems to be town ect.

As for my own thoughts, I'm not entirely sold on the idea that baubeta is scum yet. It's pretty obvious he doesn't much care for this game which in itself will probably get him replaced and somewhat explains his actions. GameBop is acting pretty oddly as well, which could probably be easily explained by the fact that he's new to this game. Something still irks me about his posts though, but it's really nothing more than a "gut" feeling at the moment.
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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/27/2008 8:41:04 PM | message detail
.... or, you could just be saying that, as you're their representative to try to throw suspicion off of him by leading us on.

I figured someone would think this...

I'm really not mafia. I'm just really thinking that this is going waay too smoothly without any trouble at all from the mafia's side for baubeta to really be scum...

I mean, you can believe me or not, I'm just really thinking lynching baubeta won't really be that good of an idea...
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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/27/2008 8:44:08 PM | message detail
Cool, I was hoping you'd say something like that. I was actually thinking that, too, but I wanted to see what you'd respond with.

##Unvote: baubeta

*sigh* Lemme read through the topic again, and I'll be back with another vote.

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SunnyX | Posted 7/27/2008 8:48:06 PM | message detail
Ohh, and MrSmartGuy, be careful of falling into those kind of though patterns. WIFOM situations aren't the best thing in a mafia game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Wine_In_Front_Of_Me
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Menji76 | Posted 7/27/2008 8:48:34 PM | message detail
I'm so bad at this, but let's see what I can get.

We jumped on a baubeta bandwagon because he hasn't been taking this too serious. And as Redtooth said, he still hasn't put up a defense. I'd rather not jump on the ride and it looks like he's lynched anyway but I'll take a stab at something else.

1) Why would he be scum? He's been actively posting. Which leads me to believe he knows his role. Now, I have no idea all the roles that have been given out but I'm guessing 'purposely getting lynched' was the town's fool's job which in this case was Coffee Ninja. He's already gone and I don't think there's two fools (but then again you never know). And now after further reading, it looks like he's essentially given up and 'truthfully' declared himself not scum. Which, as SmartGuy said, takes the fun out of the game.

2) Someone... let's see... GBA said if he was scum why isn't anyone trying to draw attention off him? Well, this'll either cast suspicion on whoever tried to draw suspicion off him or they just realize he's gone and there's no hope trying to get him back. Either way, it looks like we'll find out tomorrow.


I however, I will take a different stab at this. I still stand by my point yesterday which is to root out inactives (which I think don't post because they don't know what to say). And as potatoesaretubers said, he's been inactive and just jumps on the bandwagon.

##VOTE: th3l3fty


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The Raven 2 | Posted 7/27/2008 8:51:59 PM | message detail
Oh dammit I forgot about this, is it too late?

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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/27/2008 8:56:00 PM | message detail
From The Raven 2 Posted 7/27/2008 10:51:59 PM #187
Oh dammit I forgot about this, is it too late?

~TR2~


If you really try hard over the next few days, I'll let it slide. =)
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th3l3fty | Posted 7/27/2008 9:13:15 PM | message detail
And as potatoesaretubers said, he's been inactive and just jumps on the bandwagon.

I voted to put pressure on somebody to get him to confess his role. That requires bandwagoning. >__>
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kaonashi1 | Posted 7/27/2008 9:29:24 PM | message detail
All right. I've briefly gone through Day 1 and some of Day 2. I don't really like Jack White's voting record-- he jumps on the SunnyX bandwagon, and then when it's suggested that it's a mafia bandwagon he hops off quick. His explanation for this behaviour was a bit halfhearted. Then he jumps on the end of the Coffee Ninja train when it's pretty much a certainty he'll be lynched anyway, with another paper-thin explanation. And now he's a latecomer to the baubeta party with yet another blah-explanation vote. At best his votes seem very easily led. He seems to be slipping under the radar during Day 2, and that's bothering me.

More thoughts later.
MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/27/2008 10:06:15 PM | message detail
I just noticed something. Why were this town's two strippers either "alllll male and dead sexy" or of ambiguous gender? I don't think our strip club would get much business, considering GMUN isn't playing...

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SSBM_Guy | Posted 7/27/2008 10:06:46 PM | message detail
Alright. I'm back an-

...

lol, two points and I don't have to play this stupid game anymore.

You guys sure are making it easy for Coffee and Me to win the real competition.

THX.


...Ed, don't ever try to do a challenge like this ever again. *sigh* That was probably the most anti-town comment I've seen in Mafia...ever. And god damn, this is the second day we've been through this. Newb votes someone jokingly in a suspicious manner and they ended up getting lynched for being anti-town. Naturally, lynching anti-town has always been a good thing. If they're scum, huzzah. If they're town, they were useless anyways. If they're a town power role, they probably didn't use it correctly, but most anti-town people are Vanilla, anyways. However, I don't like this tone coming from this game. I think we all know many people are new at this. If we're going to repeat this pattern, we won't be getting anywhere. We just have to hope for the vig to kill off mafia at night. I would end the night right here, but we would have barely any leads for scum...and it would be Day 3. That's just...no. However, this l3fty thing might give us some new information. I'm going to hold back on ending this day prematurely to see if we could get any info from this.
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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/27/2008 11:41:44 PM | message detail
Just checking in to see if there are any new posts. Unfortunate that they're aren't, I was ready to tear someone apart. :P

I'd like to notify you, Ed, that baubeta never took his vote off of Not Dave, when voting for..... himself. (can you even do that?) In any case, you've still got his name down twice on your list.
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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/27/2008 11:44:00 PM | message detail
Wait, never mind, he did take his vote off of Not Dave. Chalk that one up for me not being able to read.
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Fett0001 | Posted 7/28/2008 1:15:30 AM | message detail
Modkill baubeta please.
Not playing to win and all that.

Kaonashi, I like your thinking there. I came back to reread the thread, and saw the same thing.
Jack white's baubeta vote stood out a lot, and I'll support a lynch on him for it.

Since we aren't getting anything useful out of baubeta, I'm changing my vote to pressure him

##Change Vote: Jack White
baubeta | Posted 7/28/2008 1:30:50 AM | message detail
No see, I do want to win/play.

I'm just gonna lose and that makes me sad.

I'm also drunk and just like wtf.

unvote: baubeta

vote th3l3fty
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AsurasKordoth | Posted 7/28/2008 1:31:17 AM | message detail
By the way Ed it's not a good idea to respond to baubeta like that... For all we know he could've been mafia playing the "I don't really care about this game, just kill me" card to seem like he was just a townie who doesn't care. You kind of de-confirmed that and it makes me think he is a lot more likely town now. However, I would still like a claim from baubeta.
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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/28/2008 1:46:04 AM | message detail
I noticed that, too, and I even made a mental note to keep an eye on him on page 2. I guess it got lost on its way to being filed, though, because I completely forgot about it. However, this bandwagon is forming a little too quickly for its own good, so I'm going to settle on a FoS: Jack White.

Others I've tried to keep a watch out for were Not Dave and lefty, but I think they've started to work their way back into "I just don't know" territory. However, since then, I've started to pick up on a few more people:

GameBopAdv - In the beginning, he was so sporadic, I had no idea what was going on, and he ended up casting the third vote on Coffee Ninja, listing this as his reason: "......also perhaps I'm just easily persuaded or something, but Merc's post has kinda convinced me...." Now, I know Coffee Ninja was a pretty easy target, but even if he turns out to be town, that's not a quality I want in someone down the stretch when we need sound decisions. Also, I've just got this feeling that I'm missing something important with him. Considering that, I'm not going to point any fingers yet, because there are more pressing matters.

Lefty - In the beginning, he joke voted, and I get that. But he went from joke vote, to retaliation, to bandwagon. Come on now. At least he's somewhat redeemed himself this round. If you see this before nightfall, I'd like to hear a little more from you...

Fett, Sir Chris, and Merc - I've noticed the three of them have started to passively manipulate people. It could be good leadership, it could be scummery. I haven't quite decided on them yet.

Baubeta - duuuuuuh. Though, once again, I think there are others who deserved to be questioned more than he.

UPDATE!!! Upon refreshing before posting, I find baubeta's new post. Um... wow. That one kinda threw me over the edge, and I am actually going to ##VOTE: Baubeta now. He's still probably going to end up town, but I really can't deal with this for even one more day.


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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/28/2008 1:48:40 AM | message detail
Now, I know Coffee Ninja was a pretty easy target, but even if he turns out to be town,

Sorry if this confused anyone, but when I said "he", I was referring to GameBop.
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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/28/2008 1:55:57 AM | message detail
Oh, one more person that I forgot to mention before I go to bed, then work in the morning, hence, missing the coming of nightfall.

WVI - Dude, you are a very tough person to get a read on. You are either very clumsy, or very smart. Considering the fact that there were two deaths some time over the course of the night, there had to be a second special role to carry it out. This could be a Serial Killer, Vigilante, hell, I don't know, but your alibi with these mistakes would put you in a prime position to last until the end. I'm willing to bet that you're the last person I'd think to be mafia, but you're not the first person (even after me, of course ^_^), I think of when I try to determine regular ol' townies.

Also, on this note, could I get a quick summary of all the different ways possible for us to have had our second death? I know SK, and vig, but are there any others I don't know about?

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baubeta | Posted 7/28/2008 2:00:25 AM | message detail
Funny that I don't care at all about this game, I just want my two damn points.

Seriously Ed, technically I did all the rules...I just was silly.
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baubeta | Posted 7/28/2008 2:01:46 AM | message detail
Also, the fact that I'm not sure if I'm going to get my points inherently shows the flaw in this day.

I'm drunk, I should stop talking.
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AsurasKordoth | Posted 7/28/2008 2:10:02 AM | message detail
See what I mean? At this point I would normally think he was a Bomb or something but Ed's post telling him he had to play seriously to get points pretty much confirms that he isn't Bomb. I would like to request a replacement or modkill (without ending day) at this point.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 2:21:10 AM | message detail
the fact you are only playing due to points show you suck

I too request a modkill without the day ending.
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 2:27:08 AM | message detail
Ditto.

(lol warned)

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potatoesaretubers | Posted 7/28/2008 2:50:36 AM | message detail
Why the hell sign up for something other people are genuinely interested in if you're going to half-ass it (or less)? I also request a modkill and/or replacement.

So I rethought things a little, and lefty just seems lost. Sure, his actions are a little scummy, but other people have started looking iffy. I'm gonna sleep on it and recast my vote tomorrow. For the moment though,

##UNVOTE: th3l3fty
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SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 3:15:25 AM | message detail
OK, crazy night on B8. Seriously going to bed now, though, so I'll make sure to check the baubeta situation tomorrow afternoon.
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WVl | Posted 7/28/2008 5:45:52 AM | message detail
"If Wivvie still wants to vote Redtooth, he’ll have to do so again."

Well, his recent post makes me reconsider. I still insist that at least one person's taking advantage of it by saying I'm a scum plant.

I do find Sir Chris suspect. I don't think he sucks at being mafia as much as he'd like us to believe.
WVl | Posted 7/28/2008 5:48:06 AM | message detail
Oh, and while my initial reasoning for possibly sacrificing two town was that I'd happily go out with a bang, I've thought about it and decided it's not worth it.

Hey guys, pretend I never said anything! kk
kaonashi1 | Posted 7/28/2008 6:19:59 AM | message detail
Okay. Upon reading the topic in greater detail, a few more thoughts:

lefty's voting record is almost as bad as Jack White's-- following the bandwagon and failing to give adequate explanation. I don't like it and I want him to explain himself a little more.

GameBopAdv, your posts are tentative and vague to the point of near-incoherence. I'd like it if you stated your thoughts more directly and clearly.

I don't see how Cyclo's death can bring us to very many conclusions, nor do I buy into the WIFOM-licious logic that's trying to link Sir Chris to the death.

Ngamer: now that there's been some talk regarding your accusation against Sir Chris I'd like to hear more from you.

There seem to have been a few statements made that practically assume the existence of a vigilante (an infinite-shot vigilante, no less). Why not a serial killer?

augh baubeta please work with us here. I don't think you want to be modkilled, so when you're sober I'd like to hear a claim from you.

Oh, and as stated in my previous post: FoS: Jack White
Jack White | Posted 7/28/2008 9:58:42 AM | message detail
ok explanations for my 3 votes:

SunnyX: It was the first day, we had nothing, and so I voted to get the game rolling. Is this really that uncommon? I've seen it a few times in the games we've played on B8.

CNinja: His entire defense was "I'M NOT MAFIA I SWEAR, but if I was..." I don't know if this had anything to do with him being a 'Fool' but he was easily the most suspicious person here.

baubeta: ...Well the guy's either mafia or a very unhelpful townie. Modkill/replace would be the best option here, but Ed doesn't seem to be doing anything yet. We also have to bear in mind that if baubeta was indeed mafia then so is the replacement, no matter how different he acts.
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th3l3fty | Posted 7/28/2008 10:29:07 AM | message detail
Alright, let me explain my votes now.

SunnyX: Same reasons as Jack White. Besides, Merc had solid evidence - at least, as solid as it's going to get. >_>

Fett: Usually you don't see people getting votes because they made a joke vote early on. At least, I haven't. I didn't like Fett's reasoning much, either, seeing as my vote at least had some justification (as much as you'll get for a joke vote, anyway).

Coffee Ninja: Do I really need to explain this one? He used the "if I were mafia" defense, which is a no-no.

baubeta: I am also in favor of a modkill here, as he's really dragging us down. If we get a replacement or if he actually takes things seriously, I'd gladly reconsider my vote.
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th3l3fty | Posted 7/28/2008 10:30:12 AM | message detail
SunnyX: Same reasons as Jack White. Besides, Merc had solid evidence - at least, as solid as it's going to get. >_>

Amend that to say "as solid as it's going to get that early in the game."
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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/28/2008 10:58:13 AM | message detail
Okay two replies from me here

MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/28/2008 3:46:04 AM | message detail
GameBopAdv - In the beginning, he was so sporadic, I had no idea what was going on, and he ended up casting the third vote on Coffee Ninja, listing this as his reason: "......also perhaps I'm just easily persuaded or something, but Merc's post has kinda convinced me...." Now, I know Coffee Ninja was a pretty easy target, but even if he turns out to be town, that's not a quality I want in someone down the stretch when we need sound decisions. Also, I've just got this feeling that I'm missing something important with him. Considering that, I'm not going to point any fingers yet, because there are more pressing matters.

Well...that was just my first day at mafia...I'm sorry I'm new to this, so I really don't quite know as much as the more experienced players....but now even though it's only Day 2 I think I know a little better, like that there will probably be several mind tricks to watch out for from the mafia's side...


Also...
kaonashi1 | Posted 7/28/2008 8:19:59 AM | message detail
GameBopAdv, your posts are tentative and vague to the point of near-incoherence. I'd like it if you stated your thoughts more directly and clearly.


I'm terribly sorry for any of this...I seriously haven't meant to be vague at all in this.
I dunno, I guess sometimes it's just hard for me to put everything on my mind into words...
But uhh...sorry about that... :/
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Topic Protector | Posted 7/28/2008 11:17:52 AM | message detail
My biggest worry is the constant hesitation you use. All it does is make your words vague and non-committal, which doesn't help anyone. It isn't enough to vote on, especially when it's only the second day. But "uhh...I well...uh...don't know?..." can't be the only thing you ever say. =P

I'm looking everything over again, and this whole thing with Baubeta just makes it much more confusing. I'd rather he be modkilled, so we can keep this day up, but we've got no guarantee that Ed plans on it. I'd like to wait for word from him at this point.

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WVl | Posted 7/28/2008 11:44:02 AM | message detail
I'm keeping my eye on you, Reddy!
Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 11:54:19 AM | message detail
btw if I was vigi, I'd kill gba at this point. he just looks so damn scummy.
ToadYoshi | Posted 7/28/2008 12:01:19 PM | message detail
If I was vig, I'd not. I don't get where all the GBA hate is coming from. Just because.......he talks with lots of...........pauses................it does not mean he is mafia. He hasn't said anything stupid yet.

Vote stands for now, will look more later.


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Menji76 | Posted 7/28/2008 1:33:42 PM | message detail
Oh, and as stated in my previous post: FoS: Jack White

What does FoS mean?

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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/28/2008 1:49:26 PM | message detail
Eh, baubeta stays.
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th3l3fty | Posted 7/28/2008 1:51:03 PM | message detail
Here, look at this.

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Commonly_used_abbreviations
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SSBM_Guy | Posted 7/28/2008 2:43:58 PM | message detail
ugggh why does baubeta have to stay. Well...day is going to end soon and unless we unvote, he's going to die. I'm 90% sure he's an unhelpful townie, so that means we wasted another day of lynching. Now, for our other leads...

Bop - He doesn't really seem to be giving any info. He keeps echoing what other people say, but never really give off any of his own analysis. He did have his one suspicion about baubeta, but Sir Chris sorta already said that. He also defended the inactives. If Bop flips scum, one of his scum buddies could be an inactive. Good chance that he's scum and a fine target.

l3fty and Jack White, you both need to give your reasoning as soon as you lynch. >_> l3fty's reasoning for his lynches were basically "what Jack White said".

I can agree with asking NGamer why he immediately accused Sir Chris. Also...vote count and how long until the day is over?
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baubeta | Posted 7/28/2008 2:56:59 PM | message detail
Alright, let's try and straiten things out.

Yes, for two days I didn't play the game as I should have.

Sorry.

I actually planned to play today, and the random Not Dave vote was just a bit of a joke, and looking back a poor one at that.

I now understand the (at lease early) voting mentality of this game is to find anyone doing anything strange, and destroy him for it...because obviously scum would go out of there way to stick out as early and much as possible.

My later posts were a bit of a "**** you all" message I thought was natural in this game. I was only quasi serious about the two points thing (although I certainly won't be playing this type of game again.) With seven votes against you...things seem bleak.

Not sure how to finish except that I'm probably a dead man, and you guys are wasting another day killing a guy who just didn't really understand the rules.

Fault is equal parts yours, and mine.

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SSBM_Guy | Posted 7/28/2008 3:12:41 PM | message detail
Well, before the day ends, mind giving your suspicions?
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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/28/2008 3:15:10 PM | message detail
Bop - He doesn't really seem to be giving any info. He keeps echoing what other people say, but never really give off any of his own analysis. He did have his one suspicion about baubeta, but Sir Chris sorta already said that. He also defended the inactives.

:/

I try giving info...I just often really don't have much to say.
Like...If I see something suspicious I'd try pointing it out. But I'd really not want to point out something that's really just from a townie and have them end up getting lynched....

...You say I'm not giving any info...Well, I try to, but like I said many times I don't truly have much to say.
To tell you the truth when I first read Sir Chris's post about baubeta I had sorta skimmed it and didn't really notice what he said about baubeta. So I just went and looked at the post and baubeta's seemed the most suspicious post at the time, so I tried pointing everything out about baubeta that seemed scummy. I defended the inactives because I truly feel like going after them would be a waste of time. If you think about it, the mafia was basically chosen at random, and is pretty much probably 1/3 or 1/4 of all of us (I would think) so...from a basic probability look at it, each of the members who were inactive would all have a 1/3 or 1/4 chance of being scum...which aren't very good odds.

And I also pointed out when everyone was voting for baubeta, it seemed to me like he wouldn't be part of the mafia since I would have thought the mafia would have tried stopping all the votes for him by then...or atleast try to divert the attention. But nearly nobody did. After many people started voting for baubeta everybody seemed to go along with it except for one person, who I don't think really tried much at all to convince people to look for someone else

Eh...right now I'm gonna go look closely at some other posts and see if I can find anything new to try to point out........
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Not Dave | Posted 7/28/2008 3:34:05 PM | message detail
Alright, so we have roughly four hours to point out all of our suspicions so that we at least get something out of this day. I think I'm going to stick with my vote against baubeta until he at least contributes something, which hasn't happened at all yet despite his 10+ posts in this topic.

Aside from that, it's hard to say. I can't really place GameBop as either mafia or just a shy townie who can't make decisions. SunnyX and Menji are two that are on my watchlist right now. SunnyX is more of a gut feeling, and Menji mentioning drawing suspicion away from baubeta and then voting for someone else leads me to believe he was being tricky there. There were a couple things in day one that I'll have to look over again from him, too.


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SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 4:07:16 PM | message detail
Well, I'm starting to get a better overall picture of what everyone's like, but not enough changed between this and my last post to make me rescind my vote. If I had to guess baubeta's position, I'd say he's probably town, but I'm not sure enough of that to vote otherwise. In this kind of situation, I'd be majorly kicking myself if we let him live, and he turned out to be mafia some time down the road.
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ToadYoshi | Posted 7/28/2008 4:07:33 PM | message detail
##unvote BauBeta

##vote lefty

The more I think, the more I think BauBeta is just a bumbling townie. Mafia simply does not go out and vote stupidly for no reason.

Lefty is a hunch. I got nothin specific on him, but I am now fairly confident in BauBeta's innocence, so there I go.

And Bau, you can still help by telling us who you think is mafia and stuff, so we will know to trust you after you are lynched and revealed to be a cit.
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SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 4:22:43 PM | message detail
Actually, yeah. Who do you have suspicions on, baubeta? If you're really town, you have no reason not to tell us. I'll even half-forgive you for this.
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th3l3fty | Posted 7/28/2008 4:24:26 PM | message detail
I hope you're being serious about being serious, baubeta.
>_>

##unvote: baubeta

(This had better not turn out to be a brilliant plan by baubeta to completely throw us off his track!)
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SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 4:26:14 PM | message detail
Ugh, exactly. That's why I'm so hesitant to take off my vote. I really want to see what he has to say first.
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potatoesaretubers | Posted 7/28/2008 4:28:22 PM | message detail
I still don't think that baubeta is scum, but to say what happened is equal parts our fault and yours is just ludicrous. And let's be honest - you were completely serious about the two points and move on bit. If you somehow survive today (doesn't look likely), please put some effort into this. If you don't survive, give us something to work with at least. Hunches, reasoning, defense, etc.

##VOTE: Merc

He was pretty instrumental in the Coffee Ninja fiasco, and outside of a few posts commenting on modkilling and other game mechanics, he's been rather hush hush today, content to let us run away with what seems to be a pretty obvious town lynch. This is a major hunch vote, but there's my reasoning for it.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 4:34:38 PM | message detail
I believe if merc was mafia I'd be dead, because I am clearly the best player on AIM.

I apologize for metagaming but, if Merc is actually mafia and didn't kill me then he is an idiot <_<
Billy Blaze | Posted 7/28/2008 4:47:18 PM | message detail
That, or it's possible you, Sir Chris, are mafia and pulling strings to keep both of you alive.

Baubeta is...just hard to say. Blaming us for his ineptitude is not a good way to go about it either. I think he's just trying to salvage his 2 points at this point, and since he isn't getting booted, I'm fine with keeping my vote on him. He still seems scummy to me, even if he "didn't care" or whatever the excuse was. Mafia doesn't really seem like the best place to give people second chances; we have a limited to time, screwing around too much is just going to make us lose.

For others, lefty did appear to just copy Jack, but both just need to work on not waiting so long to justify themselves. It just seems suspicious when people don't bother explaining themselves, especially in a game like this, with little other discussion.

How are we doing on time, btw?

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 4:51:51 PM | message detail
except I am not, and the sooner you figure out that being paranoid is not the best way to play this game, the better off town will be.
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 5:05:24 PM | message detail
Yeah, so following everyone else is obviously the way to go. Don't have to tell me twice!
(Note my earlier post with my suspicions)

I think I've got a pretty good mix of paranoia and trust goin' on over here.
:P
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Not Dave | Posted 7/28/2008 5:08:37 PM | message detail
I believe if merc was mafia I'd be dead, because I am clearly the best player on AIM.

I apologize for metagaming but, if Merc is actually mafia and didn't kill me then he is an idiot <_<


I won't be surprised if you wind up dead after saying that.


ND
Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 5:16:27 PM | message detail
heh, no worries, merc is already cleared. But if they kill me, so be it. But they mess with fate if they do so =)
Menji76 | Posted 7/28/2008 5:42:38 PM | message detail
Does anyone have a current lynch count yet?

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baubeta | Posted 7/28/2008 5:54:18 PM | message detail
I'm gonna go with Sir Chris, mainly because he seems to be abusing the whole "I've played this game several times before, I'm the man here, don't **** with me or your skrewed." I've never played a serious game of mafia, but I've played copious amounts of risk, and the two seem to have the same general strategy to winning, whether town or skum alike. Assert alpha status early, and start calling the shots. Do it right and you guarantee yourself into the late game as everyone goes after easier, weaker opponents which have less potential backlash. Considering the extremely high noob to vet ratio in this round, this tactic would serve to be especially effective.

That's why lynching Chris is the best plan here. Even if he's not skum (Which I think he is) he will be one of the last remaining players in the game simply because no one has the gaul to go against him. That's a slot that one of us townies won't have. They say the meak shall inherit the earth, and it starts now.

##unvote: vote th3l3fty

##vote: Sir Chris

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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/28/2008 5:55:43 PM | message detail
Sir Chris (1): Ngamer
Not Dave (0): (baubeta)
MZero/kaon (0): (SunnyX), (MrSmartGuy)
baubeta (5): (Fett), Sir Chris, Redtooth, (ToadYoshi), Not Dave, (lefty), (baubeta), Jack White, (MrSmartGuy), MrSmartGuy
lefty (3): (tubers), Menji, baubeta, ToadYoshi
Jack White (1): Fett
AsurasKordoth (1): tubers

Roughly two hours remain.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/28/2008 5:56:19 PM | message detail
...add a vote for Chris in there.

'whoops'
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 5:59:40 PM | message detail
Heh, what utterly terrible reasoning. I am one of the best players here, I establish this with vigor to give someone they can count on. People don't need to cross me to get in my sights, I have nailed mafia for agreeing with me before. What's this crap with the meak shall inherit the earth, isn't it meek?

Anyway I applaud you for giving some sort of effort, at least you were man enough to do that. But please die now.
Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 6:03:51 PM | message detail
Also going after weaker opponents first is horribly foolish. You want to get the best players out of the way via night kills early so that it is easier to manipulate the new players.

Of course I want to be calling the shots, except unlike risk I don't have my own agenda, I only have the town's best interests in mind.

very flawed reasoning.

But thanks for giving me something to argue over, I was growing bored.
baubeta | Posted 7/28/2008 6:07:08 PM | message detail
Right, you don't have your own agenda.

...unless of course you're trying to win the game.

The whole "town unity" thing is utter bull****. If you die, you three days later the skum is found, You're still dead.

It's frankly ridiculous to state that everything you do is simply to help catch that damn skum. We're not twelve years old year.

Then there's the opportunity that you are skum, in which case...well you really don't have the town's best interest in mind.
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Not Dave | Posted 7/28/2008 6:08:23 PM | message detail
chris is town.


ND
SunnyX | Posted 7/28/2008 6:11:32 PM | message detail
>_>;; You do know that town wins as a whole unit, right? I mean, there are town roles who's sole purpose is dieing so that other town players can live on. To say that dieing negates your win in the end is pretty much completely wrong. This isn't really a single man game, unless your role specifies that your in it alone.

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 6:13:16 PM | message detail
Also sorry for all the posts in a row, but I think in chains.

let me explain a bit about my mafia philosophy to those who don't play with me a lot. I don't like going half way on things, I like ging to extremes and believing in them as much as possible. I don't want to wait for mafia to strike I want to take it to them, force them to be ruffled, because ruffling mafia is a good thing. You don't want them settling in to a plan, so you disrupt it any way possible. The best way to win mafia is to manipulate mafia. make them believe things are different than what they are. As they lie about their roles and play the sheep when they are the wolf, sometimes you have to balance it by being the herder with a pitch fork hiding among your own sheep.

I want people to trust me because I have pretty good instincts about how people react to many things, and I have a genuine fondness of mafia. I think if anyone should be protected from night kills it should be me. I am an alpha dominant personality because I have earned that right. I believe it is very bad to not trust anyone. It is ok to go in with "everyone is mafia" for day 1, but by day 2 or 3 you have to have narrowed it down or eliminated people as suspects or otherwise no progress has been made.

Look, I plan to be a power figure in this game because I am just insanely good at reading things, I'll be honest about it. I am going to manipulate you to manipulate mafia and catch them slipping up. It is how I do my job. Mafia won't like it, they want me dead soon I'd imagine, its why I always ask (much to many people's distaste) "hey, doc, save me, I own." So either mafia or a scum faction is going to kill me or you are going to have to lynch me to get me to shut the **** up.

If you don't want to see me dead, then trust me. Because I won't settle for half assed maybes, and neither should you.
Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 6:16:04 PM | message detail
I have died too many times on AIM mafia night one and have the town run around like chickens with their heads cut off for me not to want to stay alive, even if it isnt technically required for town victory =P
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 6:17:25 PM | message detail
This may be surprising to some, but I agree with baubeta's first paragraph 100%. Sir Chris's response furthers that suspicion. Is that really the best response you could come up with? For such an experienced player, I'm really surprised by your actions so far. I'm getting so much scumvibe from you, it isn't even funny.

##Unvote: baubeta
Vote: Sir Chris


It is ok to go in with "everyone is mafia" for day 1, but by day 2 or 3 you have to have narrowed it down or eliminated people as suspects or otherwise no progress has been made.
Hey, thanks for supporting my decision to vote for you.

As for baubeta, make more posts like this, and you're well on your way to more of my respect.

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 6:18:37 PM | message detail
Tsk, tsk. At least you agree with my post. Vote me out all you like then, but you are just being stupid I am afraid.
Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 6:19:33 PM | message detail
Also if a poorly formulated paragraph is all i takes to earn your respect, you a a man with low standards.
Not Dave | Posted 7/28/2008 6:20:34 PM | message detail
chris is town, stop voting for him. thanks.


ND
SunnyX | Posted 7/28/2008 6:21:19 PM | message detail
Well, Chris just jumped up my scum radar. Multiple posts in a row followed up by a large explanation of how he's the supposed "alpha wolf" of this team with...two vote on him? Not particularly something I like to see, especially this early on. Of course, he does have a vote on him from Ngamer, another one of my prime suspects, so a bit more study is going to be needed.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 6:22:48 PM | message detail
In fairness Sunny I am a whole different beast than what you probably are used to. I playin games where town literally needs me or a couple other select players to be there to win. I am usually always the doctor save, I am usually always a high target to be mafia killed. I am used to having o carry a town.Although people do say I am always scummy to them so...
baubeta | Posted 7/28/2008 6:24:56 PM | message detail
Alright, I'll take the whole town wins as a unit thing to heart.

What Sir Chris is doing right now is damn near guaranteeing himself a spot in the final four or so, no matter what his role may be. He has given no real reason to prove his innoncese besides "hay guyz, i'm real good vote for someone else." And honestly, it's a solid plan. There are ALOT of first timers here. Most terrified to make any moves, let alone attack the most dominant player of the game.

I have no doubt that Chris is very, very good at this game. But if nothing that should very well incriminate him more than anything else.

4TH WALL WARNING

I can't see Ed possibly trusting any of the lesser known players with any sort of mafia roles. Mafia MUST be active in the game, or else everything falls apart. Hell, half the players havn't even done anything, and only like 6 players are really serious. Hunch is that one of those real players would be trusted enough to get the evil roles (it's this reason that Not Dave is also on my radar). Sir Chris is one of the most dedicated players on the board and guaranteed to spice up any game he's in. A perfect choice for town villain.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 6:26:36 PM | message detail
I REFUSE to let you even submit that into this mafia game. That is such vile amount of metagaming it is SICKENING. If you knew anything about this game you know roles MUST be randomized, they simply MUST be for any sort of fairness and legit gamesmanship. You may call me mafia or scummy for any other reason, but host metagaming is just out of the question.
Not Dave | Posted 7/28/2008 6:27:09 PM | message detail
a) this is the first mafia game i've ever played.
b) i somewhat suspected chris day one. i no longer do. chris is town.


ND
Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 6:27:43 PM | message detail
dave, protip, you basically just claimed, but good to know mate.
Not Dave | Posted 7/28/2008 6:28:36 PM | message detail
and yeah, mafia/townies were definitely picked randomly. anything else is ridiculous.


ND
Not Dave | Posted 7/28/2008 6:29:22 PM | message detail
dave, protip, you basically just claimed, but good to know mate.

i know what you're saying, but it's not what you think.


ND
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 6:30:50 PM | message detail
Uh... .baubeta, you're slipping again.

And Not Dave, what the **** are you doing? I can think of absolutely no explanation for the string of your last three posts.

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 6:30:51 PM | message detail
not sure what you claimed, but you claimed something good enough.

But yeah you guys should get off of me now, especially those who have played before and can easily read into what ND is saying, otherwise I can't think too kindly of your experience.
baubeta | Posted 7/28/2008 6:47:26 PM | message detail
I'ma close this debate with one last post then hope for the best.

It seems very likely that wither Chris or I am getting the boot here. Let's go over the reasoning for both of our conviction.

Me: Most/all of my votes seem to be a punishment for my actions, rather than a logical, analyzed procedure. It's unfortunate for all of us that I didn't really know what "playing for realsies" meant until it was seemingly too late. I have tried to redeem myself here, and seemingly gotten somewhere with it which is a testament towards the players of this game. I've received no reason for lynching except that I wasn't taking things seriously. And I think I've proven that that isn't a problem any more.

Chris Chris, as mafia will WIN. THIS. GAME. Assuming the power of leader he will ride to the finals, killing low key AFK'ers at night, and casually guiding the herd away from himself during the day. I will be honest that attacking Chris was a hail marry move. But that proves my point. Chris is the only man that has people afraid to vote for him. Not because he holds any special powers, or will kill you if you are against him (although he did do this on day one, obviously knowing he could get away with it), but because he's the best player in the game and obviously isn't worth the effort of going against.

Don't be a sheep. Take down Chris today, and don't let his imposing actions lead to a one sided destruction.

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SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 6:52:56 PM | message detail
Errr, excuse me... which is the one people like to hug?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

But seriously, now you're giving me a reason to vote for you again. Stop it.

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 6:53:12 PM | message detail
eh, you probably shouldn't be lynched on what you did earlier, as you are giving it a good effort.

##Unlynch Baubeta

For now.

Even though I sense the mafia in you.

But maybe it is your own paranoia.

You really think I killed Cyclo? lmao. I'd rather be caught dead than kill cyclo.

I must admit your flare for dramatics are good, and that was an epic speech. There is really only one thing wrong with your passion.

I am not mafia.

We even have someone hinting very strongly that he has information that proves I am not mafia.

Yet you are ignoring this.

That's just honestly not a very good idea. As awesome as I am, it'd be suicide for mafia to fake a claim this early like ND did just to save me. I don't know if you are scum or you have just let your paranoia run wild, but I respect the fact that you are at least listening to me and going after me full force. This is how you play mafia.
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 6:57:10 PM | message detail
Also, the thing you've got going with Not Dave seems way too convenient. I'm not ignoring it, I'm taking it with a heaping pile of salt.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 6:58:10 PM | message detail
...

Are you kidding me?

Do you honestly think that someone would fake a ****Ing scanning claim this early when that is one of the hardest things to do?

God, you are a blithering idiot.
Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 7:04:42 PM | message detail
I asked you a question, are you kidding me? Day 2, what, 19 people left? and you honestly think that ND just claimed a scanning role of some kind when I have what, 3 or so votes, to save me? how bloody dense can you be. Is this your first time playing?
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 7:07:12 PM | message detail
..... yes, it is.

I tried reading the mafia on B8 to learn some tactics, but I got bored. Some backup for this claim would be nice, though.

But a tip: calling someone a blithering idiot and telling them they're dense isn't the best way to get them to listen.

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 7:10:08 PM | message detail
Do you think I care? Honestly? Well, at least this is your first time playing. This can be excused at least.


Also I don't play sissy mafia. I am not about coddling you. But here is a tip for ya: You believe your ****ing scanners. Now get your ****Ing vote off of me.
Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 7:21:59 PM | message detail
eh honestly though, you probably think I am a psycho. I play mafia nightly and I hold high standards, I really shouldn't be so condemning of you, especially since it is your first time playing. I just always play to win, and it is very easy for me to see the obvious choices that need to be made, you wouldn't get that, and my arrogance can be a major turn off.

Do what ya like, but just know if you want town to win, trusting your scanners has to be a part of that.
Ed Bellis | Posted 7/28/2008 7:22:00 PM | message detail
Reminder: Day ends in roughly 40 minutes.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 7:22:14 PM | message detail
updated vote totals, ed?
kaonashi1 | Posted 7/28/2008 7:25:22 PM | message detail
Whoa there, there's a little more than half an hour to go. Let's get some more talk in here.

I'm really uneasy about this 11th-hour switching off baubeta. It's not that I think the case against baubeta is ironclad-- it's not-- but I don't feel he's done all that much to shake the suspicion on him. And a situation like the one that's happening now, where a few players are within lynching distance of votes, makes it all the easier for mafia to nudge the lynch to where they want to put it.
SunnyX | Posted 7/28/2008 7:26:14 PM | message detail
Of course, the difference here being that Not Dave hasn't even come out to say that he's a scanning role. He's practically said it in every term he could beyond coming out and directly stating it, but he hasn't actually claimed anything. And even when he was told that he was practically claiming, he said it wasn't what we thought. Add on the fact that it's his first game, as he's already stated, and he probably wouldn't know everything he should/shouldn't do, some new possibilities find their way to the surface.
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SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 7:27:50 PM | message detail
I just wanted to look over today's posting, to check some for some consistency to your claim. I can definitely see how not dave would act the way he did if he scanned you, and even why he would scan you, seeing Cyclo's death and all, but I can also see how it's a well-crafted mafia plan to use a newbie as a scapegoat. After looking at Not Dave's first post in the topic, I started to really think. There would be a better way to reveal your scanning ability, but maybe the mafia know that as well, and decided to take the newbie angle as well. Right now, I'm not worried, since baubeta still has more votes, time's about up, and no one's backed up your claim yet. I'm sure if baubeta goes, and he turns out to be mafia, we've got some logical proof for your innocence. If not, I'm still wary, but it's not life-threatening. I've still got time to check in a few times before night, so I'll do just that.

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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/28/2008 7:27:54 PM | message detail
Sir Chris (3): Ngamer, baubeta, MrSmartGuy
Not Dave (0): (baubeta)
MZero/kaon (0): (SunnyX), (MrSmartGuy)
baubeta (3): (Fett), (Sir Chris), Redtooth, (ToadYoshi), Not Dave, (lefty), (baubeta), Jack White, (MrSmartGuy), (MrSmartGuy)
lefty (2): (tubers), Menji, (baubeta), ToadYoshi
Jack White (1): Fett
AsurasKordoth (1): tubers

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 7:28:35 PM | message detail
still, I think I have guessed his role, but I don't want to say it. But I don't believe he is claiming cop. Nonetheless when someone says someone is town, you believe them.

I don't want to do this... it may come down to me or baubeta, and I don't really feel like voting for someone who is trying like he is but... I don't like it when people ignore scanners, you don't need to know the scanning role when ND comes out as certain as he has.
GameBopAdv | Posted 7/28/2008 7:30:45 PM | message detail
Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 1:54:19 PM | message detail
btw if I was vigi, I'd kill gba at this point. he just looks so damn scummy.


...>_>...This post has just kinda been bothering me for awhile...

Mainly because, well, I didn't really think I was being all that vague & questionable with my posts until people said I did...
I've tried posting the little things I've been noticing, but since this is really just my first time playing I'm not 100% sure of EVERYTHING I should be looking out for, so I wouldn't exactly know what would be wise to point out.
...Plus, you're supposed to be that person who's a master at Mafia and stuff....so you're supposed to be really good at noticing scum...but...I'm not scum, and you really gave no information supporting your claim that you would kill me if you could. (Which, while you're not voting for me, it seems SLIGHTLY to me like you're trying to just cast suspicion on me.....) And the only thing people have said about me before that post is your strange "gut feeling" that you were 75% sure of me being Scum, and those saying I've been a bit vague with my posting...But...I really didn't think that that made me seem that much like scum...I've tried pointing out the few things that I've noticed that I didn't exactly see anyone else notice...Such as the lack of resistance to voting for baubeta...

...What I'm trying to say is I'd really like an explanation from you of why you say if you were vigilante you'd kill me.

I dunno...I mean...As silly as it sounds right now I feel like I'm getting a feeling you're mafia..........
...But I'd really just like to see your explanation right now. The time's gonna run out in about half an hour I believe, and I doubt baubeta will survive...but I just want to see why you think so much that I'm scum.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 7:31:33 PM | message detail
truth be told... lefty has spiked me a bit more than most people but...

board mafia is different, you guys dont know me enough. meh
GameBopAdv | Posted 7/28/2008 7:32:25 PM | message detail
Wait...just saw the current vote totals...

O_o
I had no idea baubeta had already gone down so far that he's already only at 3 votes.....
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 7:33:15 PM | message detail
I think you are mafia because you claim to know nothing about the game but you seemed to throw out the 1/3 number for mafia thing amidst the claims of no knowledge. If you know that, you should know a lot about how mafia games are set up.
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 7:33:28 PM | message detail
Wow, these latest votals are very intriguing. baubeta stands a better chance than I thought. And I still don't know how I feel about it. Gah, this is freakin' strenuous!
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 7:34:14 PM | message detail
I am feeling better about lefty dying here than I do baubeta, but honestly I don't really want to get lynched here
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 7:34:42 PM | message detail
Even I know, more or less, what percentage of each game turns out to be mafia.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 7:35:10 PM | message detail
but your posts dont have 20 ... in between words, smart guy.
kaonashi1 | Posted 7/28/2008 7:36:32 PM | message detail
I am feeling better about lefty dying here than I do baubeta

I wouldn't mind hearing a bit of elaboration on this.
baubeta | Posted 7/28/2008 7:37:34 PM | message detail
Neither would I, honestly.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 7:38:54 PM | message detail
Ah, my apologies, used to being concise.


Lefty's vote patterns and speech patterns have left me uneasy all game. As if he is teetering with his words and choosing them carefully. Baubeta was just a moron for most of the day and him dying would have been no loss to anything because he was being a moron, whereas lefty has made me nervous to him being mafia rather than being a pansy who gives up. I just get a bad feeling from lefty.
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 7:42:31 PM | message detail
I've noticed that Jack White's been gone ever since the baubeta bandwagon seemed like a sure thing, and I've been suspicious of his voting/posting patterns all game. Lefty's another I could see being mafia, who hasn't fully redeemed himself, and Raven's posted a grand total of 2 times this entire topic.
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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/28/2008 7:42:31 PM | message detail
Well...I had read that flash tutorial guide thing...and I believe in it's example thing it showed a 7 member mafia game with 5 townies and 2 mafia.

Also, I believe I remember reading about some hypothetical game sequence put in the other topic involving that.
And besides, There would have to be a greater number of townies than mafia because if there's ever more mafia than townies, the mafia can control all of the lynches with their majority, thus winning (read that on that wikia page)

Seriously, I only threw the 1/3 to 1/4 thing out there because...I just figured it was basically supposed to be common knowledge involving the numbers of townies vs. Mafia...


But while I read all of the rules and such, I have not known what all I should be expecting each side to do and how they will try to manipulate everybody, and so I've sorta been learning all of this as I watch everything that's going on.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 7:43:45 PM | message detail
for further notation: only me, baubeta, and lefty can be lynched reasonably at this point. I like me, baubeta I unvoted for a reason, that reason being I think he is trying to win now, and lefty. Soo...


##Vote:Lefty
GameBopAdv | Posted 7/28/2008 7:45:00 PM | message detail
One other question...

Is knowing the basic set up rules of mafia while seeming hesitant when posting details so much like scum that you would kill me on the instant if you had the chance?
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kaonashi1 | Posted 7/28/2008 7:45:49 PM | message detail
I like the lefty lynch over the baubeta lynch too, but I want to hear more of lefty's side of the story (though I'm not sure we'll get it at this rate).

I've given up on the Jack White thing for now-- it's a lost cause at this point in the day-- but we'll pick that line of suspicion back up tomorrow.
Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 7:45:50 PM | message detail
No, remember that whole paragraph about manipulating mafia?
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 7:46:08 PM | message detail
Honestly, nobody on my list has really given me enough reason to think they're absolute mafia. Other than...

##Unvote: Sir Chris
##Vote: Jack White

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 7:46:33 PM | message detail
we have 14 minutes, I only ask that you trust a scanner who has sort of claimed and not lynch me, and give baubeta a chance to not fail. Lefty has been weak both days, I just thought I had bigger fish to fry.
Not Dave | Posted 7/28/2008 7:48:47 PM | message detail
I could see myself dying tonight, so I might as well get help get rid of some possible scum rather than just voting against baubeta, who is likely town, for not playing properly.

##unvote: baubeta

##vote: lefty



ND
Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 7:49:52 PM | message detail
by the way to the doctor, whomever you may be, I know it is not nice to give direction, but be so kind as to shield not dave from the evils of this world tonight.
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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/28/2008 7:50:04 PM | message detail
Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 9:45:50 PM | message detail
No, remember that whole paragraph about manipulating mafia?


To tell you the truth, No, I don't remember that paragraph....<_>

I might've skimmed over it or just accidentally ignored it. But I don't believe I read that paragraph.
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SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 7:51:20 PM | message detail
There were several examples of how probabilities work in situations, and tbh, I didn't really understand its relevance.
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potatoesaretubers | Posted 7/28/2008 7:51:43 PM | message detail
Ah, not much time left, better make my vote count.

##UNVOTE: Merc

Of our three frontrunners for getting lynched right now, Sir Chris strikes me as the scummiest. lefty's voting patterns have been pretty bad, but he hasn't said enough one way or the other to get me to lynch him or peg him as town. baubeta is all over the place, but he seems like town to me.

I don't trust a word that Not Dave has said so far.

##VOTE: Sir Chris
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Not Dave | Posted 7/28/2008 7:52:41 PM | message detail
well, tubers is scum. neat.


ND
Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 7:53:15 PM | message detail
so basically you don't trust a claimed scanner OR me.

Ed, what happens if there is a tie?
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 7:53:44 PM | message detail
And I say to the doctor, save whoever you want to save. Saving Not Dave is a huge mistake if Sir Chris and he are in cohoots as mafia. Not saving him is a huge mistake if they're telling the truth. Needless to say, this is your biggest decision thus far.
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kaonashi1 | Posted 7/28/2008 7:54:35 PM | message detail
I, on the other hand, am inclined to believe ND and Sir Chris for the moment.

##Vote: th3l3fty

but if you two are playing me like a flute i swear to god i'll uh be mad at you guys
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 7:55:06 PM | message detail
Yeah, this could very easily backlash tomorrow.
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Not Dave | Posted 7/28/2008 7:55:28 PM | message detail
It's not going to, though.


ND
Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 7:56:19 PM | message detail
No worries folks, all I can assure you is this, even if I am laid to rest tonight...

There will be blood.

mwhahahahahhaa.

(I am just f'ing with you guys <_<)
GameBopAdv | Posted 7/28/2008 7:57:52 PM | message detail
*sigh*...

I'm still sort of feeling like Sir Chris MIGHT actually be scum...

and even if Not Dave by some chance was a cop, and by some chance searched Sir Chris, he might not even be a normal cop.

He could be one of those lacking cops that only get innocent reads, or one of the insane ones that get wrong reads.

Or he could just be a mafia member himself, and he might be saying Sir Chris isn't mafia because he really is...or something.

I'm tempted to vote for more time to vote...It seems like this is getting dangerously close to the time limit and there's no real clear majority in the people voted for being lynched.............

(Also, I'm gonna say this. The types of roles and stuff was the MAIN part of the Mafia guide I read. So I know a bunch about the different types of possible roles. But very little about other parts of the game)
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potatoesaretubers | Posted 7/28/2008 7:58:32 PM | message detail
I honestly think that not a single one of the three (SC, baubeta, lefty) is scum at this point, but you and Chris are incredibly shady. Why the hell would a scanner reveal himself so early?
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kaonashi1 | Posted 7/28/2008 7:58:44 PM | message detail
At the risk of metagaming, I seriously doubt Ed put an insane cop in this game.
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 7:58:51 PM | message detail
*sigh*
*crosses fingers*
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Not Dave | Posted 7/28/2008 8:00:19 PM | message detail
day over?


ND
GameBopAdv | Posted 7/28/2008 8:00:48 PM | message detail
Screw it that's what I'm voting.

##Vote: Time Extension

Will probably do no good with such little time left but oh well I haven't voted anyway
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SunnyX | Posted 7/28/2008 8:02:07 PM | message detail
Vote: Time Extension. I'd like to have some time to look over the topic to see why Not Dave would want to scan Sir Chris in the first place, thought this is probably a useless vote.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/28/2008 8:02:55 PM | message detail
day is already over, I believe
SunnyX | Posted 7/28/2008 8:03:10 PM | message detail
Augh augh ##Vote: Time Extension.
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Not Dave | Posted 7/28/2008 8:03:58 PM | message detail
hopefully we hit scum this time...


ND
Ed Bellis | Posted 7/28/2008 8:04:38 PM | message detail
Sir Chris (3): Ngamer, baubeta, (MrSmartGuy), tubers
Not Dave (0): (baubeta)
MZero/kaon (0): (SunnyX), (MrSmartGuy)
baubeta (1): (Fett), (Sir Chris), Redtooth, (ToadYoshi), (Not Dave), (lefty), (baubeta), Jack White, (MrSmartGuy), (MrSmartGuy)
lefty (5): (tubers), Menji, (baubeta), ToadYoshi, Sir Chris, Not Dave, kaon
Jack White (2): Fett, MrSmartGuy
AsurasKordoth (0): (tubers)


"A day of discussion? In my WWYD Mafia?" a booming voice was heard over the town. The townspeople - well, half of them, anyway - were too busy arguing amongst themselves to hear it, culminating in a furious exchange between Sir Chris and baubeta.

In the end, the most votes went to an individual who hadn't even spoken in quite some time, an individual quietly sitting in the corner, playing his Wii, and loving Nintendo... loving them to DEATH.


th3l3fty has been killed. He was SHINE GET 64, Town Vanilla.


1. AsurasKordoth
2. baubeta
5. Fett
7. GameBopAdv
8. Jack White
10. Menji
11. MrSmartGuy
12. MZero
13. Ngamer
14. Not Dave
15. potatoesaretubers
16. Redtooth
17. Sir Chris
18. SSBM
19. SunnyX
20. The Raven 2
21. ToadYoshi
22. WVI


It is now night. Send in night actions to therestwokratoses@yahoo.com. Night will last roughly 24 hours or whenever all actions have been sent in.
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Not Dave | Posted 7/28/2008 8:05:27 PM | message detail
dammit


ND
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/28/2008 8:06:47 PM | message detail
Yup.
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SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/29/2008 5:19:34 PM | message detail
I've got 21 hours of sleep, I'm refreshed, and ready to start the day, dammit.



Unless I'm dead.

Then I'm not.

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Not Dave | Posted 7/29/2008 8:11:52 PM | message detail
is the new day gonna pop up before i have to head to bed?


ND
Menji76 | Posted 7/29/2008 8:17:26 PM | message detail
cmoncmcon

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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/29/2008 8:49:21 PM | message detail
Morning broke over the message board as the town assembled to find two more dead bodies: a female with a dynamic sig, and a male with a police cap on.

WVI has been killed. He was nintendogirl, Town Vanilla.
potatoesaretubers has been killed. He was Drakeryn, Town Cop.



1. AsurasKordoth
2. baubeta
5. Fett
7. GameBopAdv
8. Jack White
10. Menji
11. MrSmartGuy
12. kaonashi
13. Ngamer
14. Not Dave
16. Redtooth
17. Sir Chris
18. SSBM
19. SunnyX
20. The Raven 2
21. ToadYoshi

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Day ends in roughly 48 hours.

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potatoesaretubers | Posted 7/29/2008 8:50:31 PM | message detail
****
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Drakeryn | Posted 7/29/2008 8:54:04 PM | message detail
o_O

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Not Dave | Posted 7/29/2008 8:54:59 PM | message detail
oh balls, we lost two more. and tubers was a really important townie to lose - i wonder who he scanned on night one.

i have to work in seven hours though, so i'll be back here to study some posts and such sometime tomorrow.


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potatoesaretubers | Posted 7/29/2008 8:55:43 PM | message detail
From: Drakeryn | Posted: 7/29/2008 10:54:04 PM | #329
o_O

Picture of you wearing a police hat (and maybe something else) now plz.
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SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/29/2008 8:59:41 PM | message detail
Well then, some people seem to have ousted themselves quite nicely.

HoS: Not Dave
FoS: Sir Chris


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Menji76 | Posted 7/29/2008 9:07:15 PM | message detail
Woah.

Well I'd love to throw down my analysis tonight but I have to go out tonight and work in the morning.

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kaonashi1 | Posted 7/29/2008 9:09:34 PM | message detail
Well then, some people seem to have ousted themselves quite nicely.

As frustrated I am about this situation, I think this is a pretty hasty conclusion to come to. I can think of several explanations as to why potatoesaretubers was killed. For example:

1. A vigilante took ND's comment about potatoesaretubers to heart and made a colossal error in doing so;
2. Mafia killed potatoesaretubers in order to cast heavy suspicion on ND and Sir Chris, and got an unexpected bonus when he came up cop.

Still, I'd like to hear ND and Chris's take on this turn of events, as potatoesaretubers made his accusation yesterday with an unusual amount of certainty.
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/29/2008 9:25:02 PM | message detail
potatoesaretubers
Posted 7/28/2008 5:28:22 PM
message detail I still don't think that baubeta is scum, but to say what happened is equal parts our fault and yours is just ludicrous. And let's be honest - you were completely serious about the two points and move on bit. If you somehow survive today (doesn't look likely), please put some effort into this. If you don't survive, give us something to work with at least. Hunches, reasoning, defense, etc.


That alone makes me think he scanned baubeta. I couldn't find any other tells throughout the day, so I think that's the best clue he left us.

Then, I read on to see that he says:
I don't trust a word that Not Dave has said so far.
##VOTE: Sir Chris


We now know why he had so little trust in ND's claim to be cop.

Oh, and let's not forget how Not Dave decided to respond:
well, tubers is scum. neat.

Can you seriously have any trust in him somehow being town?


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Sir Basch | Posted 7/29/2008 9:25:25 PM | message detail
hm.

I think this would be a good time for me to claim and say certain things.
Sir Basch | Posted 7/29/2008 9:28:18 PM | message detail
(I just like to make sure a couple of people like the idea of a claim before I actually do it)
kaonashi1 | Posted 7/29/2008 9:29:48 PM | message detail
I'm fine with a claim, though I'm more interested in seeing ND claim (as he's already essentially claimed some kind of power role that's not cop).
Billy Blaze | Posted 7/29/2008 9:42:39 PM | message detail
hmm...well, this is unfortunate. Sad that (possibly) our two cops weren't getting along. Although, ND seemed to hint that he wasn't really a cop, but did manage to scan SC...inventor or something similar maybe? Regardless, those two are connected, at least for the moment. ND's claim seems more important, as it would help clear SC too. But if it isn't believable, than that just makes SC look worse.

I'm guessing most people won't be on until tomorrow, and I'll give time for ND/Sir Chris to explain themselves.

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SSBM_Guy | Posted 7/29/2008 9:43:20 PM | message detail
...Argh. Well...this doesn't look good at all. I wouldn't mind a claim from Chris, but personally, I'm more interested in what ND has to say here. I'll check over what tubers said in the previous days, since I didn't pay all that much attention to him.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/29/2008 9:44:46 PM | message detail
No reason not to claim, I am powerless now. Won’t get killed either I imagine, too much suspicion on me to kill me, tbh. But maybe they will be smart, given WVI was basically confirmed and they killed him.

Anyway....

I hinted at it about ten times yesterday, but to make it official, I am Exthanemesis, Town Vigi, 2 shots

Since I am paranoid, I used both shots within the first two nights. (paranoid as in I always think I am going to die, not that it is part of my role)

Night one went rather well, I nailed FD, that was good times, I laughed at him.

Night two I shot Tubers who turned out to be the cop, not so good.

My reason for Tubers, believe it or not, did not come from his late suspicion of me or ND’s random comment. I looked over his posts throughout the first two days and especially day 2, how he kept leaping from person to person. At the end, what I guess I really didn’t like, is he switched from merc (who he gave a solid reason for lynching before hand) to me with the reason “want to make it count” He ruled out lefty who he voted earlier because “he hasn’t talked enough.” Which seemed just really weird reason to unlynch. I got a bad vibe from him as I saw all of his posts. Something just felt off about him. Sadly for us power roles tend to act rather “weird” to me, most of the time, which sets off my scum-dar a bit badly.

Something just seemed terribly off about him, and cop explains it. bad cop play, but cop play nonetheless.

Can't blame ya for not liking me at the moment.


When someone randomly says I am town with confidence like ND did I believe him, don’t know if I should but that’s why I was like “oh ok” at ND. Um… well, mixed results from the vigi, but there you have it.

Also I think I set the record for most hints at role ever.
SSBM_Guy | Posted 7/29/2008 10:11:14 PM | message detail
Any reason why you shot FD? <_< Anyways, I reviewed tuber's posts...he didn't talk a lot. He voted WVI and wanted to lynch an inactive on Day 1. On Day 2, he defended baubeta and said that he thinks he's town. That seems like he did scan baubeta, but...why? I would think he would scan WVI or something...no reason to scan baubeta. Then, he votes l3fty, because of his bandwagoning and lack of adding discussion. Then, he unvotes and votes Merc...because after starting the bandwagon on Coffee on Day 1, he barely spoke on Day 2. He unvotes again and votes Chris...for two reasons. To "make it count" and that he doesn't trust ND. Not sure why he didn't lynch ND instead. He then goes on saying that baubeta, Chris, and l3fty are town, but suspects ND. Which makes me say again...why didn't he lynch ND? Hmm.

Well, I can buy your claim...though, I'm surprised you only got 2 shots on a game this big. Especially since you're the only other person aside from Mafia killing.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/29/2008 10:25:15 PM | message detail
Just a hunch. as I said, I nail FD all the time, it is quite sad.

Also I may not be the only vigi, just the only one who likes to shoot early.
SunnyX | Posted 7/29/2008 10:28:40 PM | message detail
##Vote: Sir Chris. I'm afraid this reeks of one giant conspiracy to me. And with what was likely our only other source of reliable information gone I find this situation all the more to their liking. Sure, there's suspicion cast on them, but it's nothing they can't shake as long as they have Mr. Charisma on their side. I could also bring up the question of why the scum didn't kill an all but claimed cop and instead apparently went after little old WVI, but...well, never mind, there's also that. There's too many coincidences around here, and I don't particularly like it.
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kaonashi1 | Posted 7/29/2008 10:32:26 PM | message detail
SSBM, I'm guessing he didn't vote ND because there was no point to it that late in the day-- getting enough votes to lynch ND was extremely unlikely, and if he thought ND was lying then Sir Chris would be suspicious by association, making him the best target to lynch of the three that were being considered.

Anyway, Sir Chris's claim seems to check out for now, though there's the implication that there's no serial killer. If potatoesaretubers made his accusation toward ND on the basis that he was cop and hence ND couldn't be, then he was mistaken, since ND didn't claim cop (in fact he implied he wasn't in a previous post).
Sir Basch | Posted 7/29/2008 10:44:09 PM | message detail
Oh god I am not in a position to be doing this, but I never lived by doing things half hearted or proper.

I have a feeling I am signing mu own death warrant here.

##Vote:SunnyX

I don't like that vote at ALL

"what is likely our only other source of reliable information..."

You are assuming far too many things, and I don't like it one ****ing bit. You are trying to entrap information to your liking in that entire post. You can't assume we don't have a lot of info, in fact, what is this MASSSIVE bs about ND not being reliable. I refuse to buy this whatsoever. In such a big game you can't assume, you CAN'T assume just because one scanner disagrees with another that one of them must be scum that is absolutely TERRIBLE logic. Furthermore for someone who claims to have a good gasp of mafia (I believe you said this, correct me if I am wrong) you should know that going after a scanner without a dead protecting role is futile and would only result in your kill being wasted if you are mafia. WVI was a confirmed townie basically given his overnight stupidity and the fact no mafia would be so reckless as to try to pull that stunt, and he was not going to be protected after that amount of stupidity.

I don't like how you are trying to paint some massive conspiracy theory out of a scanner saying "hey, guys, the guy you are lynching is town alligned." It is called Doing your damn job That's not a conspiracy.

There is nothing here. I mean I could see your case for SK, but Mafia? Nothing I have said hasn't checked out. I am the only thing accounting for an FD kill here. and I can't be SK because SK works alone, so ND would have no reason to call me town.

I don't like that vote, its reasoning, its tone, its assumptions, and as a bad of a place suspicion wise I am to counter vote someone, I'll be damned if I let that pathetic excuse of reasoning stand unchecked.
Sir Basch | Posted 7/29/2008 10:50:54 PM | message detail
But that being said, I also demand an ND claim. None of this half-claim bs, we've got to know what the **** you are.
SunnyX | Posted 7/29/2008 11:00:02 PM | message detail
Alright, chalk that one up to my inexperience in this game. ##Unvote: Sir Chris. This is actually my first mafia game, and while I know quite a bit about the game I've never actually put it to use. Most of your points are correct as far as I can tell, so all I can really say is "my bad". To be honest, your very forthright attitude is what sets me off about you, but I'll learn to except it unless something crazy comes up I suppose.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/29/2008 11:02:37 PM | message detail
Okay, I was mistaken about you being experienced, might have been someone else then.

##unvote: SunnyX

Yeah, I have a very in your face attitude, it is how I always have played. I'll let your post go for now, although i've got an eye on you.

For now, I'd like to see an ND claim so we can start to put together the puzzle.
GameBopAdv | Posted 7/29/2008 11:02:45 PM | message detail
Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

Okay I began thinking about stuff

I began thinking...what if Not Dave was Mafia? He then told everyone Sir Chris wasn't Mafia, and then Sir Chris brought up the scanners thing to everyone, since the majority were new to the game, everyone would figure that that could probably be true.

...But now....Sir Chris claims that HE was the Vigilante. And he fired the two shots. At this, I began to think "Hmm...but what if he's just lying?...I really wouldn't think an experienced player like him would waste a shot like that on the first day, only to get incredibly lucky."

...Then I began thinking more, and this thought came into my head: "Waaaaiit a minute....if Sir Chris was lying about being the Vigilante, then the REAL vigilante would know. And then Sir Chris would obviously be pointed out as lying (even if the claim seemed questionable at first) and so, it would probably be an incredibly stupid move, thus making me believe he really WAS the Vigilante.

Though.........Perhaps Not Dave would have...for some reason...Said Sir Chris wasn't Mafia, because Not Dave WAS Mafia, and thus would know....and then he would know Sir Chris would point out that he looked like a Cop right there....and...I dunno...then it would seem like he's a townie.

...Well...what I'm trying to say is right now I believe Sir Chris is Townie.
I've got some suspicions about Not Dave, but certainly not enough to cast a vote towards him.

...So Again I shall wait and hope to see some suspicious activity...
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potatoesaretubers | Posted 7/29/2008 11:04:42 PM | message detail
Thank god I'm already dead or your ellipses would absolutely kill me GameBop.
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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/29/2008 11:57:16 PM | message detail
Okay, um, I was just looking for someone to start largely suspecting and I sorta now suspect NGamer.

Contrary to my earlier post, I'm now starting to think the mafia is not posting as much as everyone else here, but chances are they're atleast giving us SOME posts.

Anyway, NGamer basically just made one post last day (I THINK) and it was rather early, and it was trying to vote for Sir Chris due to the whole Cyclo ordeal. But now since Sir Chris has kinda convinced me that I truly think he's not scum, I'm thinking that someone else that tried putting suspicion on him earlier on could possibly be a scum's move. And NGamer (I THINK) never made another post that day, so, uh, that just kinda leads me to think NGamer might possibly be scum.

I'm tired right now, so I haven't exactly looked through all the posts thoroughly yet, so I could've EASILY missed something VITAL, but I'm just going to go to bed right now and check the things tomorrow.
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baubeta | Posted 7/30/2008 1:07:31 AM | message detail
Now that the gun is less pointed at my face.

Chris, could you please tell why you unvoted me late last round? Your logic seemed to be that I was playing harder, which is true. Was there any other reasoning?
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AsurasKordoth | Posted 7/30/2008 1:39:35 AM | message detail
##VOTE: GameBopAdv

To be honest, I do not like anyone who went after Chris even after NotDave pretty much claimed solid information leading him to believe Chris was town. For those who missed his posts; "chris is town, stop voting for him. thanks." "b) i somewhat suspected chris day one. i no longer do. chris is town.". GBA didn't actually vote for Chris but instead made this post as the day was ending with Chris at 3 votes and Lefty at 5.

*sigh*...

I'm still sort of feeling like Sir Chris MIGHT actually be scum...

and even if Not Dave by some chance was a cop, and by some chance searched Sir Chris, he might not even be a normal cop.

He could be one of those lacking cops that only get innocent reads, or one of the insane ones that get wrong reads.

Or he could just be a mafia member himself, and he might be saying Sir Chris isn't mafia because he really is...or something.

I'm tempted to vote for more time to vote...It seems like this is getting dangerously close to the time limit and there's no real clear majority in the people voted for being lynched.............

(Also, I'm gonna say this. The types of roles and stuff was the MAIN part of the Mafia guide I read. So I know a bunch about the different types of possible roles. But very little about other parts of the game)


He basically said that even if NotDave is Cop, he's probably Insane. You never doubt your scanners, especially on freaking Day 2. At a point where Chris was 2 votes away from being lynched, GBA made a post attempting to push people to vote for him (but was too scared to do so himself) and then proceeded to ask for a time extension. IMO, pointing fingers at people and trying to get them lynched but not actually voting for them is one of the scummiest things you can do. In fact, GBA did not even make a vote on Day 2 despite being there for most of it.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 1:56:37 AM | message detail
Wow, good pick up merc, didn't even think about that.

Maybe I should have followed my own advice.
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/30/2008 2:04:22 AM | message detail
Ugh. I had a headache I couldn't shake off, so I decided to lie down, and ended up falling asleep.

Anyhoo, I figured now that I'm back, I'd start listing off my thoughts again, now that day 3 has started to take stride.

Jack White - he's been suspiciously missing for quite a long time. His vote was against baubeta, which I believe to be just a bumbling townie at this point, and has been gone since his bandwagon was pretty much a sure thing. Now, that could be coincidence, but then I think about how all of last night happened. He could've easily been watching everything, and waited in the shadows, as the votes went from a town member, to another town member, and decided everything was still fine, and he'd just wait as to not cast suspicion on himself.

ToadYoshi - I've never once thought him as a mafia member, but looking back, he gets more and more suspicious. He voted baubeta back when there was a reason to, but then switches to lefty, listing his entire reason as "Lefty is a hunch. I got nothin specific on him, but I am now fairly confident in BauBeta's innocence, so there I go." Then, he never came back to change at all, and that could've easily been the deciding vote, since kaonashi and tubers could've easily targeted someone else to "make their vote count".

Merc - He was influential in getting Coffee Ninja killed (which was fine, that was an easy vote to get), but then when only tubers had placed his vote on Merc the next day, Sir Chris and Not Dave teamed up and came to his rescue pretty damn quickly, and everyone here knows how I feel about them. Now he's trying to get attention away from Not Dave's botched semi-claim, and I have a bad feeling about it.

Ngamer - Every single one of his votes has been lacking in reason, and he hasn't even shown up since page 3. I've always had a gut feeling about him, but I don't see quite enough yet to say anything with certainty, and doubt I will any time soon. WE NEED YOU TO TALK MORE!!!

And finally:
Sir Chris and Not Dave - I really feel like I could use some more information. Everyone seems to be coming to Not Dave's aid, and I don't know why. What other role could he be to have an excuse to say that Sir Chris is town for 100% certainty? Sure, he says "I know what you're saying, but it's not what you think" in regards to him claiming cop, but what else is there, that I'm missing? I'm really anxious to see what he can come up with in the many hours that he'll be gone. Oh, but he couldn't just up and say it while he's here, of course, he has to think about what he's going to say first.....

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 2:15:10 AM | message detail
Detective.
SunnyX | Posted 7/30/2008 2:33:35 AM | message detail
Mmm, Mafiawiki doesn't have anything on a detective. Is the role any different than a normal scanning role?
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SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/30/2008 2:39:05 AM | message detail
I was just reading up on this myself, and detective is listed as having the same abilities as a cop, so I assumed different games would just use different names for the same thing. And even if that's not the case, that phrase, "I know what you're saying, but it's not what you think" would make no sense if he were a detective, because that is what we're thinking. I'm not buying it if he claims detective, and you seem awfully persistent on defending him.

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 2:49:39 AM | message detail
Hm, it doesn't? Ok.

Detective is a scanning role but works far differently than Cop.

You ask to scan a person, and you get three roles in the game, 2 of them randomized from other roles, one their true role.

For example, a possible scan of me could have been.

Vanilla Town/Vigi/Cop.

If he had gotten this scan, he would be 100% certain I was not scum. I believe in backing up my scanners, it is a good way to play.
Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 2:50:53 AM | message detail
In fact you being so paranoid about scanners is truly a bad way to play the game, and does town 0 favors.
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/30/2008 2:54:15 AM | message detail
OK, so I'll just blindly follow what someone tells me. A+ plan, imo.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 2:56:26 AM | message detail
No, that's why you have other scanners. If you can't follow a power role, you are going to lose. You look at what they see and judge it to believe it, but saying already that if he claims a very common scanning role that you won't believe it is prejudging, and that's not following someone blindly, that's dismissing them out of hand. Which is very stupid.
Not Dave | Posted 7/30/2008 4:10:32 AM | message detail
I only had time to read a couple posts 'cause I have to go to work, but I might as well claim to clear some of this confusion.

I am Karma Hunter, Town Jack of All Trades. One scan, one protect, and one roleblock.

I'll be back in just over eight hours to read all these new posts and stuff, but I'll leave you guys with that in the meantime.


ND
WVl | Posted 7/30/2008 5:14:28 AM | message detail
Dammit, I have way too much stuff to catch up on now. x_x
WVl | Posted 7/30/2008 5:17:14 AM | message detail
...Or not, since i'm dead and all. <_<
AsurasKordoth | Posted 7/30/2008 9:10:18 AM | message detail
Hmmm not sure I buy that claim from ND. Jacks usually have one shot as well, and I don't see any reason not to give him one in a game this big... And presumably scanning Chris on Night 1 would be an odd choice of actions.

Also, for those who fail at mafia: http://mikeburnfire.deviantart.com/art/Mafia-Roles-72597749
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 9:17:57 AM | message detail
hm... yeah. not having that shot is really really weird. I mean roles can be changed, but he said he was going to keep this basic.

hrm...
Fett0001 | Posted 7/30/2008 9:54:38 AM | message detail
About NotDave

It's possible he thought he could be tricky and not tell us about a shot, in hopes of not being killed by the mafia for it.

It's fairly obvious that he claims to have used his Scan, on Chris, N1. It's not an unreasonable idea because if Chris is scum, finding that out N1 is probably one of the better ideas. I don't like that he claimed without many votes on him, or Chris, though. It just seems kind of early.

Reviewing again before I vote.
SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/30/2008 9:56:27 AM | message detail
I've come up with a new possibility.

What if, in the case of (Not) Dave versus Goliath, the mafia is helping ND, and he is actually leading Sir Chris on? Since ND's claim to SC being town came out of nowhere, it seemed to throw us all off, and Sir Chris (being town) was willing to grasp at it to stay alive.

Note that this is something I just thought up, even before seeing Sir Chris's post. After reading back through some of this, though, I don't think this is the case, with a few of these other new posts and everything before considered.

Then, Not Dave's claim. That's...... not what I expected. It still seems too convenient to me. One scan. So now he can't give us any more info, and he's in the clear. Plus, with Sir Chris saying he's out of shots (which worked so well, didn't they?), this gives us one more night in which we might have a second death that could easily be explained away, assuming SC and ND are working together. Great.

And then Merc comes up with this little gem: "To be honest, I do not like anyone who went after Chris even after NotDave pretty much claimed solid information leading him to believe Chris was town. For those who missed his posts; "chris is town, stop voting for him. thanks." "b) i somewhat suspected chris day one. i no longer do. chris is town."
What?! Yeah, that's really solid evidence there. Top notch sleuthing. And then this: "You never doubt your scanners, especially on freaking Day 2." Why the hell not? Seriously, I'm tempted to make a Sparta quote here, I think it's that bad! The only info we got from him has been untested so far, and it ultimately ended with us lynching a regular town member. Nothing has been proven, substantiated, anything!

Alright, so what I've been thinking is that we have 2 people tied closely together, with one trying to back them up in Merc. Now just follow me here. Our lynches so far have been people that just kinda went their own way, and the lynches got us nowhere, regarding information that we could've used against someone else. If we are able to lynch one of these three, we have a very good idea of who to go after next, whether they're mafia or not. If they are mafia, we have two more suspicious targets. If they aren't mafia, you guys have at least have one target - me.

Now, if we were to lynch ND and he's mafia, Sir Chris could pull that excuse that I noted earlier, and say he was just trusting a scanner, and Merc could easily slip away with no damage done, too. And if he's town, we've lost a role with some use left, but at least we know two others who are also safe. I'd be hesitant to go with that, but he's looking the most suspicious to me right now.

If we get Sir Chris, which is my biggest hunch, and he turns up mafia, ND's a goner, but Merc still slips away, playing that exact same excuse Sir Chris could with ND. However, if I'm wrong and he's town, we know ND's legit, and so does the mafia, and we can say goodbye to a fellow townie with use left right after. Another situation I'm not so willing to take, even with my gut feeling saying otherwise.

And if we go after Merc, and he turns out to be mafia, we've got a damn good head start on our next two days. If he's town, well, we just continued down our path of solo misses, but at least ND/SC are looking better as well.

*sigh* OK, I just wanted to throw some possibilities out there, because no one, other than the people I'm talking about, seems to be doing anything, and we need to start planning ahead.

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 10:09:55 AM | message detail
Um... huh.
One thing about your snide remark involving my shots.

I did get a mafia douchebag <_<
Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 10:24:13 AM | message detail
You are far too paranoid, btw. You have no human touch in your gameplay. It makes no sense for ND to say I am innocent like that out of the blue if he is scum. It just... doesn't make any ****ing sense. Why would a scum worry about me. In your theory of I am not scum, which is the good one btw, he has no reason. Mafia just have to kind of fake as if they are caring and trying to be reasonable, they don't fake claim roles they are not to save a town alligned person.

The one thing that doesn't make sense in all of this is if you believe we only have one family, then I find it hard pressed to believe I can be mafia. If you believe we have multiple families then that means we've had 2 clean kills and nothing more. Despite me hinting at vigi for a day.

There really isn't a lot I can do to convince you, nor can I really FoS any of you as scummy as you appear to be. It is hard to read people who at least claim it is their first time playing, although you have the audacity of a life time player, SmartGuy.

I have read no reasonable arguments why I should be lynched. Merely paranoid ramblings of a person who seeks to distrust everyone who is ****ing talking. And I must admit, it grows old.
Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 10:27:25 AM | message detail
I mean, you just said only 3 people are really doing anything, and you think all 3 are scum.

Holy wtf that just hit me.

##Vote: SmartGuy

This is getting worse and worse the more I think about it. You are going after anyone who is making this topic lively for god's sake.
Topic Protector | Posted 7/30/2008 10:29:32 AM | message detail
Well, this certainly sounds interesting. I have to say, it is convenient that both SC and ND have no kills/kills left. A little suspicious, since I'd buy the paranoid schtick from a noob, not from a veteran who should be able to manipulate to survive at least a few days. Jack of all trades is a convenient one too, as SmartGuy said, he can't scan anyone else to prove things either. I'm almost willing to bet one of you is lying, even a little, to protect that final kill you might have. If mafia knew you had it, they'd be more likely to hit you, I'd imagine. That, and both ND and SC have jumped on townies to hit, which wasn't good either. My problem, if they are who they claim, and if they could still have uses, it's risky to hit them and lose a special role. I'm still leaning on SC though, as he's supposedly out of kills, while ND still has some stuff left. That way, if he flips scum, we know ND is in on it, and if not, that ND is who he claims. Since we still have a Doc and no other claims, ND stay alive for a bit too.

Merc/AK sounds like an interesting choice too, I've tried to find more of his older posts. What I've noticed is that he does go straight for defending ND's scan. In my mind, that means he either a) Has the same kind of experience as SC and knows to always trust early scanners or b) SC/Merc(AK)/ND are pulling the wool over our eyes. SC has made many, many claims as to have played with Merc/AK a lot before, that they have experience in AIM mafia, that if merc was mafia, SC would have been killed N1 and such. Since a lot of us are new, these two(three with ND) thought they could manipulate us into believing an early scanner. At the least, I remember SC claiming Merc/AK was for sure a town, and he got that from metagaming. The more I look back, the more connected these three guys appear to be. It's possible that's just from experience, but I'm suspecting something more sinister.

So I just want to clarify, what is the logic behind always trusting scanners. Are mafia really that unlikely to fake-claim as cops? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with it, I'm just curious because I haven't played enough to 'know' this sort of thing. Is this something that you do often in more advanced games? Can any other experienced player vouch for/against this, or at least, can any of those three explain it? I'm guessing it is common for cops to disagree though, as they'd probably look suspicious to each other, like tubers was.

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 10:34:19 AM | message detail
Sorry for posting a lot in a row but um, chain thoughts, as I explained, I am used to AIM mafia.

It is terrible when someone says "well, if I am wrong, you could go after me!" I don't like being wrong a lot, really. I mean I know I shot the cop too, but the only reason ANY scum are dead is because of me. I don't know what the odds are currently, but I probably don't like them too much. Your whole arguments reek of nothing but paranoia, seeped in fear. I just can't get over the fact how stupid your reasoning is. Is no one thinking how stupid this is. How hard it is, over a long mafia game, to maintain a fake claim? Especially with all the roles that may be out there that can prove it wrong. I shot a cop who made no sense and bounced vote to vote and was being terribly unreasonable. And I shot a scum roleblocker. And no one as of yet has countered my vigi whatsoever. And there is a vigi in just about every big game. If nothing else (and I say that because honestly I could buy two two-shot vigis in this big of a game, but it doesnt mean you have to) that if no one wants to step forward, then tonight other vigi if you are out there, put a bullet through my brain if it makes you rest easier, but... otherwise I think you have to believe, just because it is logical smartguy, that I am vigilante and your whole rambling amounts to nothing.

Or you are scum weaving a web of lies.

Shrug
Topic Protector | Posted 7/30/2008 10:35:30 AM | message detail
Also, the reason I was thinking behind no one counter-claiming your vigi claim could be a Serial Killer, no? They'd probably want to keep their identity hidden as long as possible.

So another question, would a SK be something a 'simpler' game like this would even have?

And SC, you do make a point about just focusing on the people who are talking the most. I think I've kind of fallen into that same trap, just focusing on you three. But voting against him for essentially the same reason, as he's talking more and suspecting you, is pretty scummy.

For one, TR2 hasn't come back since he came to claim he'd "forgotten about this." And it seems like no one has ever questioned or even slightly suspected him. Maybe it's time to prod him back into the game?

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 10:37:47 AM | message detail
Jack isn't really much of a scanner and tbh is easy to fake claim. But throughout a big game, especially early, claiming a role is very risky. You can be countered, if you give a false scan (say "innocent" on a miller, oops!) you can be outed very easily. In general as mafia it is best to talk but keep the role hidden, so you can try to guess the framework of the game and claim a role which is reasonable and one you can back up with solid proof. Claiming say cop day two is terribly hard to get away with. Jack? Not so much. I am only inclined to believe him because it really makes no sense for him sticking up for me.

I also don't want to be lynched because well, I think it is kind of obvious given all I've said in my posts that there is no basis to lynch me other than to satisfy people's own paranoia. Let the mafia sit back and town eat themselves alive, I said this awhile back in day 2.
Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 10:40:25 AM | message detail
I vote against him because he argues like he is well founded but when you look at the words they merely make no sense. No one who has voted for me thus far has brought up a legit argument, and I can't keep excusing it as "oh they are new." I wouldn't do it in any other game, I can't do it here. He has no good arguments. He is pushing the issue with me nd and merc but he has made no valid arguments, only spreading paranoia like I have said.


Hm, and good point. Before we slice each other open, it would be good to check over the last couple of days and see who has been neglecting to have fun with us. Made all the more obvious by the fact that this topic has boomed

(because of me)

(I have livened this topic)

(that's a pro town thing)

(but ignore me I must be lynched)
Topic Protector | Posted 7/30/2008 10:42:54 AM | message detail
Alright, sorry for a the many questions, but would a Doc saving someone show up in the initial post?

My first thought was we only had two 'factions' or 'killers' or whatever. Mafia and, possibly, Sir Chris as the vigi. We've only had two nights, but in both nights we've only had 2 deaths, 2 of which were claimed by SC. What I never considered was that if, say, we had two vigis and the mafia. If one of the vigis shoots a person protected by the doctor, would that show up in the mornings, ala "Redtooth was found bleeding, but alive, in a men's bathroom, " or would no one but the vigi who ordered the hit know the kill had failed?

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 10:46:03 AM | message detail
Doctor saves are private, and are never revealed in any game I've been in. It is also what makes the doctor claim a nasty one, as only the doctor and maybe the killing role (depending on circumstance) have a good idea of who the doctor saved and on what night.

and no problem, I have fun answering questions and helping you guys out. I just wish I knew why people think I am so scummy. I have done nothing but help liven up the town and create a ton of discussion. Hell, I was even called Mr. Charisma. I know you don't like to believe me, but I can never muster this much passion as mafia on AIm, and certainly not here. There is no thrill of the chase and of the discovery as mafia, I find it rather boring.

I find this to be a new and interesting experienced, as I always play in real time. Harder to get a grasp for people you've never played with before.
Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 10:52:20 AM | message detail
Also, there are only two possible conclusions on ND if you are not me or ND: Either we are both town, or both mafia.

The way ND dismissed suspicion for me without a care at the start of the day, and the way he responded to my posts, taking my advice on how to think and stuff, leads me to believe he did in fact scan me innocent and knew I was to be trusted. That was not some rush job claim.

Now that I've got that sorted out in my head, time to convince the rest of you guys.
Topic Protector | Posted 7/30/2008 11:03:51 AM | message detail
Well, I do agree, you have really livened up the game. Since you've started talking, we've finally caught up to game 2 in terms of discussion, which is good! Though that sucks about the doctor, that info could have been useful, not just to figure out how many are killing, but if our doctor is not being a newb and just protecting himself all game. =P

My issue with you is you're just the 'easiest' target right now. You're voting today without a solid amount of reasoning, you admitted to killing a cop, although on accident, and the last day you bandwagoned and it turned out to be a townie. You and ND are in the same boat, he just claims to have some stuff left that could help us. Now, I'm not ready to vote on you with only that. It doesn't seem helpful to kill someone just to find out for sure if the other is being truthful. Your claim makes sense, although I'm inclined to believe you have more kills left. Like I was saying before, I think I'll let some of our less wordy friends get a chance to speak up, I'm beginning to doubt their commitment.

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 11:06:08 AM | message detail
I also admitted to killing a mafia!

Always on the negatives aren't we :(
Topic Protector | Posted 7/30/2008 11:19:02 AM | message detail
Easier to criticize than to compliment, I'm afraid!

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SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/30/2008 11:39:44 AM | message detail
Gah, ****ing grrrr.... my bad. For some reason, I thought your first shot hit a town vanilla. I still don't know why, I knew we were one for something, and we haven't lynched any mafia. That one was my fault.

Anyway, look. I had another rant typed up, but after looking at it for a while, I didn't see anything new or helpful. And then the more I looked at it, the more your explanation made sense. *sigh* I can't believe I'm asking this, but disregarding me, what are your thoughts on the rest of the town? Some of the less inactive players? How about tubers? Did you get anything out of his babble that you could try to tell who he scanned?

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 11:49:21 AM | message detail
Well, here's the thing. Tubers was just weird. I don't see any real obvious clues, to be honest. Maybe baubeta, but I can't be sure. The reason he ended up with a bullet in his head is because he said the whole cyclo thing was an obvious set up, and then decided to vote for me at the end of the day. It didn't float with me. Also his horrible distrust of ND had me confused, as I don't usually see other scanners react like that.


Well, hard to say who is inactive and who is lurking. Raven 2, TRE, Ngamer have barely posted. Mafia would want to check in, but remain as quiet as possible, for the most part. Also sadly though some mafia do have a bad habit of talking a lo

tand revealing stuff about them.

Let's see, comments for everyone.

1. AsurasKordoth - Merc is an experienced player, doesn't mean I can trust him, but he is making sense thus far.
2. baubeta - I am inclined to believe he is town just because of his outburst about being town and wanting his points, and then I bet ed got all pissed off and told him to shape up or he wouldn't get any.
5. Fett - Should be posting more, he worries me.
7. GameBopAdv - Makes me wish I had just capped him tbh, if only to save myself from the dots. That and like so many others, doesn't make a ton of sense.
8. Jack White - Good suspect, shady voting patterns, disappears like magic.
10. Menji - no real feel for him.
11. MrSmartGuy - you are a bastard.
12. kaonashi - hmm... my money would be on scum, oddly!
13. Ngamer - I... think ngamer has been really busy lately, and I don't think he is scummy. Just bad time to leave for a day.
14. Not Dave - I am heavily inclined to believe his innocence.
16. Redtooth - Very probing, not always a town thing to do though. (he likes to keep hinting I have a third shot, that worries me)
17. Sir Chris - scummy scum mc scum scum.
18. SSBM - post more.
19. SunnyX - post less.
20. The Raven 2 -post at all you son of a *****.
21. ToadYoshi -Seems to know what he is doing, posts seem okay so far from what I've seen, an unknown to me.
Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 11:50:46 AM | message detail
wait, TRE isn't even in the game, someone mentioned that name and ...

Or maybe they typo'd TR2.

or maybe they said TR2 and I am just tired.

but regardless, besides that, there you have it
Pats D | Posted 7/30/2008 11:58:21 AM | message detail
You guys talk too much, imho.
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Not Dave | Posted 7/30/2008 1:17:11 PM | message detail
Alright, I'm going to try to address what was asked of me. Let me know if I miss anything.

- I scanned Sir Chris on the first night because I knew he was an inexperienced mafia player and wanted to either find someone I could trust, or find some scum. I told baubeta Chris was town that early because it was just within a couple of votes and I didn't want the mafia to swing it and kill off the only person that I knew for certain was town. In retrospect, I probably claimed a bit hastily but oh well.

- I don't have a shot. I don't know why I don't have one, but I don't. And if I did, I would've popped tubers for acting so weird.

Right now SmartGuy seems awfully scummy, I'm not sure about GameBop, and most of the rest have you have to start posting more.


ND
Not Dave | Posted 7/30/2008 1:17:34 PM | message detail
haha, experienced mafia player, rather. my bad.


ND
SunnyX | Posted 7/30/2008 2:31:26 PM | message detail
@Chris: no u

At any rate, dwelling on this whole fiasco right now isn't getting us anywhere. Much like Chris said, I believe that those that have been sporadically inactive should be our first potential targets for now, and out of them I most suspect The Raven. His only vote, as far as I can remember, was on baubeta's bandwagon on day one, and the reasoning behind that particular bandwagon hadn't even been explained yet. I doubt we'd get more out of him since he's only posted maybe once since then, but it could be worth a shot.
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SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/30/2008 2:42:06 PM | message detail
17. Sir Chris - scummy scum mc scum scum.
Pfft, obviously. ^_^

Anyway, have to go to work, can't post for a while, etcetera, etcetera.

While I disagree with some points, I do agree on a lot of them, too, one being we need to get the inactives in the game. I especially want to hear from ToadYoshi, TR2, Jack White, and Ngamer. Also, to a degree, Menji and SSBM Guy.

.... ugh, we have a lot of inactives.

##Vote: Jack White

I've still yet to be given any reason to think you're not mafia, since clear back on day 1. You came to try to defend yourself on page 5, but then did nothing else. Come on, now, you can do better than that. Something better be here from you when I get back.

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AsurasKordoth | Posted 7/30/2008 3:27:29 PM | message detail
...why am I being linked with ND and Chris? It is highly likely that both of them are scum or both of them are town and I agree that lynching one does help us determine whether or not the other is scum. Not sure how I fit into this other than the fact that pre-Jack of All Trades claim I strongly believed the both of them to be town. To the guy who said you shouldn't trust a claimed scanner Day 2... who the hell CAN you trust at that point? It is Day 2, a guy claims to KNOW that someone is innocent, that means you back off and vote someone else. And mafia would not fake a claim Day 2 just to protect one of their own. Especially someone like Chris who would have been able to defend himself out of getting lynched anyway.

I agree with Chris, it is rather different to play with people who are extremely unexperienced at this... I still think GBA is scum, not liking SmartGuy for suggesting to kill me off to see if ND/Chris are scum (mostly because it doesn't make sense), Jack White looks bad as well... Fett worries me because I know that he knows how to play well but he hasn't being doing or posting much at all. It wouldn't surprise me if most of the quiet people Chris mentioned were scum. Town (or so I think) has unfortunately been killing itself off without any help from the mafia. All they are doing is sitting back and watching us lynch ourselves.

NotDave worries me the most out of everyone. All signs point to him being town but I just can't get over his claim. Jack Of All Trades is an extremely easily faked role, and not having a shot just seems so off.

Also since most of you are new: If there is (another) Vigilante w/ more than 2 shots or (another) Jack of All Trades it would be a very good idea to claim right now. You will almost be certainly netting us a Mafia.
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Jack White | Posted 7/30/2008 3:27:49 PM | message detail
Holy crap you guys talk a lot.

Quite simply I haven't been on. When this day started it was around 4am here, and I've been out all day. Anyway, my opinion on some people:

On it's own Sir Chris's claim seems solid, especially since we haven't seen a counterclaim yet.

But then ND... his story fits but I can't help but feel it's all too convenient. Of course yesterday he explicitly stated that Sir Chirs is town, which could mean that they're working together. He also accused tubers of being scum which we now know to not be true. I don't have anything more than slight suspicion here yet though since Sir Chris does seem solid.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 3:30:50 PM | message detail
Yeah, I have had times where you have to have a scan ON me to get me lynched as mafia.

and even then I have almost talked my way out of it.

Its why it makes no sense to ever have a scum buddy fake claim something for me.

because tbh I'd sell him out so fast it wouldn't even be funny!

This is a fun game, and I won't go into any more thoughts until the day is a bit older.
Jack White | Posted 7/30/2008 3:31:48 PM | message detail
...actually now that I read over my post I realize that Chris doesn't sound that good at all. >_>
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Jack White | Posted 7/30/2008 3:41:50 PM | message detail
Reading over tubers's posts and he seems to have vouched for baubeta on more than one occasion during Day 2, despite our suspicion of him. Possibly his Night 1 scan?
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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/30/2008 3:46:44 PM | message detail
*sigh*...I've realized I have no idea what I'm really doing at all in this.

I'm a newbie here, but I was hoping that I would be able to adapt and figure things out as they went along. I'm thinking this will not be the case, as I am just finding myself to be clueless with everything and basically just guessing to myself of everyone who's mafia, and seeing how my silent guesses seem after a while.

The reason I didn't place a single vote yesterday was because there was nobody that I truly felt was scum then. I was pointing out bits I found suspicious to see if anyone agreed, and saw where that led. When I saw that everybody began voting baubeta, I thought it seemed too easy and with so many new players it seemed like someone on the mafia would at least try to change the attention.
I later began to have a hunch that Sir Chris was scum, but it was nothing more than a hunch, and I didn't want to end up voting to lynch a townie. Also, I didn't really expect th3l3fty to be scum all that much either, so I didn't vote for him, and it turned out I would've been correct.

Right now though, I fully trust Sir Chris after his admitting to being a Vigilante. I probably shouldn't fully trust anyone here anymore, but I'm new, I don't know anything about what to do. I believe him enough to trust Not Dave enough now.

When I was suspecting NGamer earlier, I'm thinking I was basically just grasping at straws. It was basically the same reasons th3l3fty got voted, and he was townie, so...There's no reason for me to TRULY suspect NGamer of being scum right now. Though I don't 100% believe that NGamer is Townie either, yet.

But there are two I do suspect more than others, Merc and SmartGuy. Sir Chris's explanations on SmartGuy, as well as his rather huge post. And Merc...well I just know this is gonna sound crazy but I'm gonna post it anyway. During the first day after reading one of Merc's posts, I said to myself that I felt like I could definitely trust Merc. A few seconds later, I began to think "waaaaait a minute.....that's how it always works out. The ones you trust most are really mafia." And so from then on I began to suspect Merc. It's an incredibly stupid reason, which is why I haven't said it until now. And now, there's another reason too - Merc's post against me. I'm sorry if this makes me look more like scum than ever, it's just that I figured Merc would be considered one of the more experienced players, and while I realize I have probably been acting scummy, one of the reasons Merc posted against me really didn't make a lot of sense. The fact that I had not blindly trusted Not Dave that he was a cop, especially on Day 2. Well, like I've said many times, I'm new here, so I being a crazy person that I am I really didn't believe Not Dave at the time because his post seemed sadly generic to me, and so I only figured they could be wrong or a trap. I didn't want to end up falling for a trick, so I just didn't believe him at the time, but didn't vote because I wasn't 100% sure that Sir Chris was Mafia at the time.
In fact, I was only posting my suspicions without voting because they were ONLY suspicions. I've said the reasons why, and right now I'm almost positive the three main people being voted for yesterday were all townie.

...arg, I really have no idea what I'm doing at all. But I'm not Mafia. And I desperately want to prove this to you. So if anyone has any questions to me, PLEASE ask them. And I will give you my honest answer. I seriously have nothing to hide at all, and while there seem to be little suspicions about me at all right now, I seriously don't want another townie lynched again tonight, and that includes me, so right now I just want to erase ANY suspicions anyone has against me.
GameBopAdv | Posted 7/30/2008 3:50:59 PM | message detail
...wait what the heck?

Also since most of you are new: If there is (another) Vigilante w/ more than 2 shots or (another) Jack of All Trades it would be a very good idea to claim right now. You will almost be certainly netting us a Mafia.


Uhh....although I am new,this makes absolutely NO SENSE AT ALL to me. If there was another Vigilante/ anything that could shoot, wouldn't it be a better idea to keep to yourself because otherwise the mafia would kill you tonight?
I really don't see the logic in this at all.
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Not Dave | Posted 7/30/2008 3:57:52 PM | message detail
He also accused tubers of being scum which we now know to not be true.

What he said did seem really scum-like. I didn't figure that the cop would think they were the only one that could scan.


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SunnyX | Posted 7/30/2008 4:39:55 PM | message detail
Thinking over things, there could be a slight chance that Not Dave and Chris are a linked pair, one being mafia and the other town with the stipulation that if one dies so does the other. It would explain Not Dave's sudden protection of Chris, but overall it has a very slight chance of being true, if at all given how this game is set up. But if it was, I'd put money on Chris being town.

Now, for Jack White to just randomly pop up after suspicion had been placed on him definitely perks my interests. As has been said, it'd be to his advantage to just sit back and let the town defeat itself, but now that he could possibly be in trouble he suddenly appears. Coupled with my earlier suspicions of him, and I can't help but to ##Vote: Jack White.

Ohh, and as a side note, I too would like to see the logic behind merc's little bit about the Jack.
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Jack White | Posted 7/30/2008 4:44:57 PM | message detail
As soon as I got on GameFAQs I read over this topic and started typing up my post. The last time I was on before then it was still night and I couldn't do anything... what do you want, a detailed description of my day? =\
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 4:47:37 PM | message detail
ya know.

You guys wont get this but

my gut is telling me that sunny is scum.

Going back to my original vote today.

##Vote: SunnyX
Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 4:49:08 PM | message detail
anyway going out and stuff now, so um... will argue later and stuff, just in case you guys feel lonely.
AsurasKordoth | Posted 7/30/2008 5:33:31 PM | message detail
Wait did everyone else also decide GBA's question regarding my request for a Vigilante or Jack to claim was way too stupid to answer?

Regarding my suspicion of Jack White (per SunnyX's request), it's mostly just a gut feeling combined with how he bandwagons, barely votes, has not contributed anything to the discussion that I'm aware of, and suddenly shows up when votes and suspicion is being cast on him. Not enough reason to vote for him just yet, considering these things are true for most people here. Just voicing general suspicion of him.

SunnyX does bring up a good point... It wouldn't surprise me if NotDave was scum trying to drag Chris down with him or something. I don't even know. This is highly unlikely but it's the only way I can make sense of Chris seeming very Town and NotDave's claim being really terrible.
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Jack White | Posted 7/30/2008 5:48:22 PM | message detail
SunnyX does bring up a good point... It wouldn't surprise me if NotDave was scum trying to drag Chris down with him or something. I don't even know. This is highly unlikely but it's the only way I can make sense of Chris seeming very Town and NotDave's claim being really terrible.

I really doubt this. Trading a member to take down one townie is never a good result for mafia.
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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/30/2008 5:50:19 PM | message detail
Uhh...Merc, can you atleast explain to me why a vigilante should claim if they can still shoot? Because I'm seriously not understanding the logic in that at all. If we really do still have someone who can shoot I fail to see any way that knowing who would help us net any mafia at all. The only thing I see it doing is helping the mafia know who they need to target. Which in turn makes me begin to suspect you further, Merc.
But that seems like a waaaaay too obvious scummy move, so I'm thinking I'm missing something blatant....
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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/30/2008 5:51:58 PM | message detail
............actually.......there is one thing that I can sort of see you implying in that, but if you really were scum then it would be a terrible trap.
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Menji76 | Posted 7/30/2008 6:15:03 PM | message detail
Alright, well I've had some time to read over everything. Like most, this is my first Mafia game so even though I know what roles could exist (thanks to Merc for the link) there seems way to many possibilities to know what to expect. With that being said, I feel fairly confident that Sir Chris and Not Dave are town even though, like Bop said, it's probably a bad idea to assume anything like that.

And while everyone's logic seems to be playing out for them, it doesn't work well for me. If I was more experienced and had plenty of time to analyze everything I'd probably think the same but since day one, my suspicions on scum have always been users who don't contribute much to the conversation. Now if you check back on everyone who's died so far, you'll notice that all but one has been town and everyone who's been lynched has been lynched mainly on suspicious posts rather than on people not contributing. If any of that makes sense, cool, great.

For now, no one looks scumming enough to cast a vote. Let's see how things pan out.



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Not Dave | Posted 7/30/2008 6:59:32 PM | message detail
The inactivity of certain people is pretty irritating. Case in point, The Raven 2's two posts in the topic:

The bandwagon for SunnyX almost seems like a trap. A huge mob-sized trap:

##VOTE BauBeta

~TR2~


Came five minutes after ToadYoshi voted for baubeta, and even before TY's explanation.

Oh dammit I forgot about this, is it too late?

~TR2~


no substance at all, is he even still playing?


ND
SSBM_Guy | Posted 7/30/2008 8:08:39 PM | message detail
To be honest, I'm surprised that Raven hasn't been replaced yet. Seems like he should be. As for ND's claim...it does sound too convenient. However, I can believe what Chris said. No reason to fake a claim this early on. Anyways, I can go with pressuring an inactive. I know I'm a bit inactive myself and I'll try and post more.
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Not Dave | Posted 7/30/2008 8:11:21 PM | message detail
I really don't see what's wrong with my claim. Why would I come out and say Chris was town to protect him on day two just to "drag him down with me" on day three? That's really stupid.


ND
Not Dave | Posted 7/30/2008 8:23:18 PM | message detail
##Vote: NGamer

Subject to change, I just want something from him. An explanation why he hasn't been around, some suspicions, anything. Just post dude.


ND
ToadYoshi | Posted 7/30/2008 9:16:50 PM | message detail
I'm back.

#1: Sir Chris is telling the truth. As said by someone (who is also a citizen) earlier, Sir Chris as mafia will win this game, but Sir Chris as mafia would not be posting this much, or accusing anyone really.

#2: Not Dave as Jack of All Tades is legit. He defended Sir Chris back when Chris had substantial votes. Conspiracy theories that he is bringing them down are complete jank. ND and Chris are citizens, I believe this to be true.

#3: Then who is the mafia? An idea would be to look at who tried to cast suspicion on those two. I will do a detailed review of lynch records soon. I expect some people to pop up as consistent voters of these two.

Big main idea thing: One of the most dangerous things is to assume an obvious cit. Everyone is suspicious at all times. But the actions of Sir Chris and Not Dave are Pro-town enough to convince me, and if they play the game that well then they have me hosed and deserve a mafia victory.

I know I will probably take flack for this, defending Sir Chris and Not Dave in this way. But this is another principle of mafia that new players seldom realize: making yourself look like a citizen is not the most important thing. The most important thing is to get mafias. Now obviously not getting lynched yourself is something that helps you not lynch citizens, but still, contributing and making yourself look scummy is better than not contributing at all.

So I ##vote: SunnyX

With full apologies if you flip cit.
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AsurasKordoth | Posted 7/30/2008 10:57:53 PM | message detail

#1: Sir Chris is telling the truth. As said by someone (who is also a citizen) earlier, Sir Chris as mafia will win this game, but Sir Chris as mafia would not be posting this much, or accusing anyone really.


A little curious what you are basing this off of. Pretty sure Chris always goes after people.
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SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/30/2008 11:20:49 PM | message detail
I only have one problem voting for someone that has nothing to do with this whole Not Dave/Sir Chris ordeal. For example, voting for Sunny, like some have decided to do, doesn't do anything to prove/disprove Not Dave's and Sir Chris's claims. Sure, it's hard to fake a claim on day 2, but not when everyone is easily persuaded to vote someone that's not even in the picture.

And then I realize I voted for Jack White. Great, I'm a hypocrite. Ugh... we've still got some time, I suppose. I'll leave it, since I still don't see much reason to believe him. I'd rather find a way to plan ahead some time, though, sooner better than later. We might still get some important information after this day, too.

At this point, I have more reason to believe Chris than Dave. My gut has switched since earlier this afternoon. So many things about ND strike me as odd. In some aspects of this, he's making a bunch of mistakes. In others, he's doing way too well for this to be his first game. (I know this applies to me, too, but I'd really like to bring this up, as no one else seems to have noticed yet.) He basically claims day 2, and is just all-around awkward, but then some are saying that he's hiding one of his shots to stay off the mafia's radar. I still have little idea what's going on, but at this point the most logical explanation for me is that Not Dave is being 100% honest. A somewhat distant second being that both him and Chris are mafia, and a very distant third being that Dave's town and Chris isn't. Especially distant is the possibility that Dave's town and Chris is mafia. Now, there's a situuation that would make absolutely 0 sense. Insane/paranoid jack of all trades? Basic, my ass.

I'm also wary of ToadYoshi's latest post. Neither of his first two points make much sense to me (as if you couldn't tell from my earlier rants). Elaborate, please.

Also, thank you very much, Merc for the link that helped me formulate much of this. I forgot to thank you earlier, so here you go.

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Fett0001 | Posted 7/30/2008 11:33:49 PM | message detail
TR2 might need to replaced.

@ Gamebop
What merc is asking for here, is counterclaims.

Example:

If someone were to say, "oh I'm the real jack of all trades, and I scanned X, and RB'd X and I still have a Doc and a kill," then that claim could possibly push us towards a lynch.

@ Merc
I think a Vig should rarely counterclaim w/ shots remaining. If there is a fake vig claim, the real vig just shoots him, if he has shots left.

@ ToadYoshi
Why did you vote SunnyX? I gather it's to "contribute," but you didn't contribute much reasoning with your vote. If you're just following chris's gut, so be it, but tell us.

Further, I don't understand your logic here.
#1: Sir Chris is telling the truth. As said by someone (who is also a citizen) earlier, Sir Chris as mafia will win this game, but Sir Chris as mafia would not be posting this much, or accusing anyone really.

Chris is a very good player, and it's not like him to ever stop pushing for lynches regardless of their affiliation.
I'm inclined to follow his gut, but want to review the rest of SunnyX's posts first.
*reviews*
All that I see of Sunny today is him pointing fingers at inactives, after having a confrontation with Chris.
Hmm.
I agree with Sunny in that Jack White is terribly scummy, and he could provide a decent lynch target as well, but I've been harassed for being out before, and I hate to see someone lynched for it. If he keeps this popping in when threatened, I'll be pushing for his lynch. It does seem almost like he was warned.

##Vote: SunnyX
for now, but I've got a definite FoS: JackWhite

@ SmartGuy

Especially distant is the possibility that Dave's town and Chris is mafia. Now, there's a situuation that would make absolutely 0 sense. Insane/paranoid jack of all trades?


Don't forget about godfather, but it's a bit of a stretch.

@everyone
And as for my recent quietness, I'm at Carolina Beach this week (through Sunday), and so board mafia games have been a little on the back burner.
AsurasKordoth | Posted 7/30/2008 11:43:18 PM | message detail
Fett: I somehow forgot to think about that... you're right. And can someone explain to me the rationale behind all the votes for SunnyX. He's a bit shifty to me but I don't see a lot that screams "scum".
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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/30/2008 11:55:15 PM | message detail
.....oh...I think I understand it now.

I was under the impression that Merc was talking about if there was an additional Vig. or Jack of all trades...I wasn't exactly aware that there could only be one per game.
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SmartGuyRedux | Posted 7/30/2008 11:57:56 PM | message detail
^^^^

What Merc said times a thousand. I know this seems awfully scummy, but I seriously see no reason to vote him. I mean, Fett even admitted to agreeing with him, but listing his reason for voting otherwise as "I've been off before." Plus, you just called out ToadYoshi for not contributing much reason, either. This seems really bad.

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Fett0001 | Posted 7/31/2008 12:24:37 AM | message detail
Not as "i've been off before". I've been lynched for being away before.

I'm willing to follow Chris as I've seen him catch more scum with his gut than I've caught total.
SunnyX | Posted 7/31/2008 1:28:30 AM | message detail
This isn't entirely unexpected, I suppose.

I'd like to say that people should start relying on their own guts over Chris', but its been made rather clear to me that he holds a power quite unlike any other in mafia games. I won't lie to you when I say that I believe there are targets that are more worthy of further scrutiny today, mostly those that haven't posted/have only posted the bare minimum. I'd bet quite a bit that there's a few mafia that are sitting pretty right now, and encourage all remaining town players to at least give them a once over. Also, for some odd reason, I don't particularly like ToadYoshi's closing remarks:

Now obviously not getting lynched yourself is something that helps you not lynch citizens, but still, contributing and making yourself look scummy is better than not contributing at all.

As I read it, he'd rather lynch inactives than those who have contributed to the topic but have come off as scummy to him. Then he votes me. The persons whose been told to "post less" not once, but two times, one of them outright stated. I know I've made a few mistakes in this topic, but really, I can't see the logic connecting his feelings to his vote.
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AsurasKordoth | Posted 7/31/2008 1:49:33 AM | message detail
I'm bored. Day ends in like 15 hours? SunnyX make sure you are here in like 10 hours in case you have to claim or something. I don't want this to be like yesterday when Lefty was lynched with 5 votes and no claim.
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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/31/2008 2:06:30 AM | message detail
XD, wow, I'm really into this game too much. I just had a post exceed the maximum character limit.

Anyhoo, here's the first half. Seriousness awaits.

To be blunt, I didn't like either Fett's or ToadYoshi's posts. At all. Especially Fett's second one. That is exactly what I've been going against this entire game. At least Jack White made one redeeming post. Upon looking back over the topic, all you two have been doing is giving everyone bull**** reasons to vote someone, when nearly all of them have been town, then disappearing for another 24 hours. Let's look at some past votes, shall we?

Fett's record:
Day One -
But worst of all is toad's vote on SSBM, because toad's leaving? WTF?
##Vote: Toadyoshi

Looks a bit odd, but he is kinda justified in voting this way. However, seeing as how that's the only vote ToadYoshi got that day lets him slip under the radar. Hmm....

Day Two -
Since we aren't getting anything useful out of baubeta, I'm changing my vote to pressure him
##Change Vote: Jack White

Again, the only vote he got that day, and was never there near the end to help out, either. Another day he kept low. I even gave him a FoS later that day, but no response, no nothing.

Day Three -
Chris is a very good player, and it's not like him to ever stop pushing for lynches regardless of their affiliation.
I'm inclined to follow his gut, but want to review the rest of SunnyX's posts first.
*reviews*
All that I see of Sunny today is him pointing fingers at inactives, after having a confrontation with Chris.
Hmm.
I agree with Sunny in that Jack White is terribly scummy, and he could provide a decent lynch target as well, but I've been harassed for being out before, and I hate to see someone lynched for it. If he keeps this popping in when threatened, I'll be pushing for his lynch. It does seem almost like he was warned.
##Vote: SunnyX

THIS is what I was getting to. Why on earth would you spend a paragraph laying out someone's guilt, then suddenly vote for someone else? In a later post, he says he's following Sir Chris's gut. Now, I'm starting to trust Chris more and more, but there's no other reason at all that you're trying to get someone lynched? He's been giving out useful information, but his votes make very little sense to me.

If you're listening, Fett, I'd like a little more than that.

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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/31/2008 2:07:52 AM | message detail
Now, on to ToadYoshi:
Day One -
##Vote SSBM
Goin out for the day, leaving my vote on someone until I get back.

Yes, that's seriously all he gave us. I can see Fett had a good reason to vote for him. TY didn't for SSBM. And yes, an easy vote to keep him off our radar, especially with his advice in the first day.

Day Two -
##vote lefty
Lefty is a hunch. I got nothin specific on him, but I am now fairly confident in BauBeta's innocence, so there I go.

That was real informative...
And again, he never came back to see our epic switching from baubeta to lefty at the end, leaving him out of the radar.
Again.

Day Three -
I know I will probably take flack for this, defending Sir Chris and Not Dave in this way. But this is another principle of mafia that new players seldom realize: making yourself look like a citizen is not the most important thing. The most important thing is to get mafias. Now obviously not getting lynched yourself is something that helps you not lynch citizens, but still, contributing and making yourself look scummy is better than not contributing at all.
So I ##vote: SunnyX
With full apologies if you flip cit.

As Sunny pointed out, this is complete and utter horse****. I really can't believe that I've missed something like this. I've gotten some good advice from ToadYoshi, so I never really thought twice, but his voting pattern is nearly unforgivable.

I've been so deadset on Sir Chris and Not Dave, that I blinded myself from taking everyone's point of view. Reading through this topic again has really opened my eyes, and for these reasons:

##Unvote: Jack White
##Vote: ToadYoshi

FoS: Fett


If you couldn't tell, I love probing people with their own posts. God, this is fun. I really need to play mafia more often.



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Sir Basch | Posted 7/31/2008 2:51:17 AM | message detail
We play mafia daily on AIM ^_^.

btw, Sunny isn't based off of anything provable. I just got a gut reaction from him. You don't have to follow me, but I just have a feeling.

also if you believe me then believe ND too, tbh. Because my mind can't wrap around him faking that.
Sir Basch | Posted 7/31/2008 3:04:59 AM | message detail
Although Toadyoshi doesn't seem bad either. Mafia's best bet, so they believe, is to agree with the people with the most charisma. After the first couple of days I tend to realize most mafia aren't going to be combative. They will go with the flow, for the most part anyway.

What I don't like about ToadYoshi is this early voting records, actually... don't mean anything. Voting for me or ND was not a bad lynch the past couple of days. There is no bad lynch day 1 just because we don't know anything. Day 2 people weren't used to my hyper aggressive attitude, and today the guy whose dying breaths was to vote for me is dead and I shot him, and he was a scanner. So to say just because you have come to the right conclusion that I am town that those who disagreed must be scum is really pretty terrible.

You get my FoS right now, as someone who has played this game a lot (I know you have, I checked!) that is bad logic this early.
WVl | Posted 7/31/2008 4:42:12 AM | message detail
*decomposes*
Jack White | Posted 7/31/2008 7:53:44 AM | message detail
SunnyX voting for me based on the fact I was out while being accused bothers me, and while it's really tempting to vote for him just for that I won't do so for now...

What's most worrying at the moment is that Raven has 2 posts in all of this topic, yet seems to have flown right under our radar (lol pun). He's either completely forgotten about the game or has been watching things play out. Of course if he hasn't done anything all this time then I'd think he would be getting replaced?

FoS: The Raven 2 for now, but I'm not sure whether I should expect a response.
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ToadYoshi | Posted 7/31/2008 8:19:41 AM | message detail
Allright, I knew that post would make me seem scummy. Part of me wants to erase that post and go back to flying under the radar. But that wouldn't help.

Chris, when I said look at people who disagree with you, I specifically meant people who saw your claim and ND's claim, yet chose to ignore it and dub it a "mafia conspiracy" and vote for you anyways. I agree, before that you were probably a good choice to lynch.

Anyways, I am voting for SunnyX because I like Sir Chris's hunch. Will be willing to switch if something better comes.

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Topic Protector | Posted 7/31/2008 10:32:31 AM | message detail
Okay, I was still undecided about my vote until I just read this:
Allright, I knew that post would make me seem scummy. Part of me wants to erase that post and go back to flying under the radar. But that wouldn't help.

I'm not sure what you meant to say with that post, but it just doesn't sit well with me, at all. You admit to wanting to stay under the radar, probably for your own safety. I'm glad you went out and posted more, but something like this just doesn't look right. That, and you're more likely to follow someone else is gut feeling doesn't seem like good play. Maybe if you can explain yourself a little more, like explaining that Sunny vote a bit more, I'll switch. But for now, ##Vote:ToadYoshi

Now, it's not to say I've let go of my suspicions on ND and SC being together on this. I'd just ignored too many of the other possibilities. ToadYoshi was riding through this all too easily, until his last two posts, and NGamer and TR2 haven't even posted today! Actually, in general, people need to post today. We've got a lot of conversation lately, but it's between about 5 people, which isn't right.

And I'm not sure I share the same feeling about Sunny, his last post seems pretty legit, unless I'm missing something. People are jumping on him with some pretty shaky logic, or just by following someone else's lead. That just scream conspiracy to me. I'm not against gut-voting, I just did it a bit for ToadYoshi, but one person doing it and 3 people jumping on and not adding anything doesn't seem kosher.

And to respond to being "too probing," I've got to wonder, isn't that the point of the game? The more I ask, the more likely someone will slip up! =P

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/31/2008 10:43:01 AM | message detail
Perhaps. Also I gutted Sunny for the sole purpose of seeing who'd bandwagon.
Topic Protector | Posted 7/31/2008 10:45:53 AM | message detail
...well, that's pretty damn devious.

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Sir Basch | Posted 7/31/2008 10:52:13 AM | message detail
Like I said somewhere in this topic, to catch a mafia sometimes you have to play like a mafia.

Now mind you, that doesn't say I believe Sunny is innocent, but by the way people vote and react to certain lynches, and how that person flips, you can gain a lot of knowledge on them.

ToadYoshi gets a HoS from me at the moment, as I don't like the way he is talking.

Also I wonder how many people will backpeddle because I said I was only gutting him to see who bandwagon'd.

Maybe I lied.

Maybe that is the test.

Who knows.

(me)
AsurasKordoth | Posted 7/31/2008 1:33:49 PM | message detail
That much was obvious, Chris. Should SunnyX flip scum we'll all remember myself and SmartGuy asking "Wait, why are people voting for SunnyX?" as well as SmartGuy and Redtooth trying to push the vote towards ToadYoshi instead. Should he flip town we'll remember people like Fett, ToadYoshi, etc. voting for him pretty much solely because "Chris has good gut, follow!".

Can we get a votals? I think it's something like 3 SunnyX, 2 ToadYoshi, 1 Jack White, 1 GameBopAdv. Day ends in like 5 hours(?), wouldn't mind a claim from SunnyX at this point.
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ToadYoshi | Posted 7/31/2008 2:53:08 PM | message detail
Allright. Since I'm probably gone soon, here's my two cents.

Sir Chris, Not Dave, GBA and BauBeta are clean. Sir Chris and Not Dave I can guarantee 100%. The other two are in the 80% range.

MrSmart, Fett, inactives, and SunnyX are the people I suspect the most in that order.

Final bits of advice to everyone who is new:

In the final days, when there are very few people left, look at the lynch records.
When in doubt, lynch the less active player.
Don't be afraid to say controversial things that might get you lynched. Remember, if you die and the citizens win, you get a win. Deflecting attention from yourself onto another citizen does not help; don't do it.

And remember. In the end, it's a game. Don't get mad about it. I'm out.
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Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 3:07:23 PM | message detail
Unofficial vote count:

Sir Chris (0): (SunnyX)
SunnyX (3): (Sir Chris), Sir Chris, ToadYoshi, Fett
GameBopAdv (1): AsurasKordoth
MrSmartGuy (0): (Sir Chris)
Jack White (1): (MrSmartGuy), SunnyX
NGamer (1): Not Dave
ToadYoshi (2): MrSmartGuy, Redtooth

Might have missed something.


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Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 3:12:23 PM | message detail
I also wouldn't mind a claim from SunnyX, if he's around.


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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/31/2008 3:16:17 PM | message detail
ToadYoshi
Posted 7/31/2008 3:53:08 PM
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Allright. Since I'm probably gone soon, here's my two cents.
MrSmart, Fett, inactives, and SunnyX are the people I suspect the most in that order.
Deflecting attention from yourself onto another citizen does not help; don't do it.

SunnyX (3): (Sir Chris), Sir Chris, ToadYoshi, Fett
MrSmartGuy (0): (Sir Chris)
ToadYoshi (2): MrSmartGuy, Redtooth


>_>

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baubeta | Posted 7/31/2008 3:24:02 PM | message detail
I'd simply like to post a congratulations to Chris, if he is skum.

You've basically won.

Moving on to today, oh so much action, and oh so little to show for it.

The problem with so many AFKers (I was at a funeral, what can I say), is that people who actually talk are bound to be punished.

I assume in a more normal game, TR2 would have been mod killed by now, or at least been voted on just for being and AFK nublet, but we can't quite do that here due to the alarming number of "limited" posters.

Everything I've learned in my short stay here in mafia land is that Mafia doesn't say or do much, so as to avoid suspicion. Well what do you call posing three times in three days?

It simply seems cold to be punishing those that actually have the moxy to show up and play.

I'll reserve my vote for now, and take another look at the last 150 or so post.
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baubeta | Posted 7/31/2008 3:32:05 PM | message detail
Also, where do I go to do AIM games? Is there a certain place people meet up?
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Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 3:34:04 PM | message detail
on AIM.

[sorry]


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SunnyX | Posted 7/31/2008 3:56:58 PM | message detail
Well then, I suppose a claim is necessary. I'm GuessMyUserName, Town Vanilla.

As far as my final suspicions go ToadYoshi and Fett are the ones that really worry me right now, and the same can be said for most of the inactives, but I'm sure with Chris on the team you'll be set up for a good day tomorrow. Not to say that I'm 100% sure that he's town, but I've grown to respect his play style today. Even more so if he somehow flips scum.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/31/2008 3:58:59 PM | message detail
hmm...

Pikaness flipped scum.

GMUN does not?

Eh <_<
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Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 4:03:01 PM | message detail
##Unvote: NGamer

##Vote: SmartGuy

He has by far seemed the most scummy to me lately.


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Sir Basch | Posted 7/31/2008 4:03:10 PM | message detail
ya know.

I buy it.

##UN: SunnyX

##VoteToadYoshi
Sir Basch | Posted 7/31/2008 4:05:13 PM | message detail
actually I dont think I want to have a vote on anyone at the moment.

##Unvote: ToadYoshi

hmm, what to do what to do.
baubeta | Posted 7/31/2008 4:20:54 PM | message detail
I have another nub question.

Assuming, Chris is full of **** on the gun thing.

What are the other possible ways a mafia could have been killed at night?

Is the only possible way that there are actually two mafia groups? If so, would they want to have killed one another?
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/31/2008 4:23:56 PM | message detail
Let's see...

Two rival mafia gangs
Serial Killer
Mafia assassin alligned accidently killed their own mafia.
Mafia assassin within the group got bus driver'd causing his kill target to nail another mafia.
Paranoid Gun Owner

That's about it I think
Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 4:27:05 PM | message detail
Other vigilantes, a serial killer, inventors and probably a bunch more can be killers. But I really see no reason to doubt Chris on that.

If so, would they want to have killed one another?

In games with two mafia groups, each group acts independently and must kill the others plus the town to win.

It's all in that link AK posted - http://mikeburnfire.deviantart.com/art/Mafia-Roles-72597749


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Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 5:40:52 PM | message detail
votes? suspicions? posts? anything?

just over three hours until night falls and there seems to have been no progress today.


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Menji76 | Posted 7/31/2008 5:46:06 PM | message detail
...

I'm still not sold on anyone that's been posting. Nothing seems suspicious. I however like me others, want people around that play. Either he's not playing or he's mafia and wants to hide.


##Vote: The Raven 2.
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Menji76 | Posted 7/31/2008 5:54:04 PM | message detail
That should read:


I however, like many others, want people around that play.


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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/31/2008 6:23:22 PM | message detail
Haven't seen anything to make me change my mind yet. I'm not liking the lack of communication at the moment, though.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/31/2008 6:26:14 PM | message detail
##ToadYoshi

Going to have to stick with this, wont have a chance to be on before deadline after.
MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/31/2008 6:57:45 PM | message detail
Less rokk, more talk, plz.
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Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 7:02:00 PM | message detail
If it does end up being ToadYoshi, this lynch is going to tell us a lot. It'll possibly shed light on SmartGuy, Redtooth, and GBA, among others.


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Sir Basch | Posted 7/31/2008 7:04:19 PM | message detail
by the way dave, roleblock someone tonight, but don't tell us who you are going to.
Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 7:06:25 PM | message detail
what potential mafia roles are there that could be blocked?


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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/31/2008 7:08:20 PM | message detail
Why would ToadYoshi being either side cast suspicion on GBA?
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/31/2008 7:10:04 PM | message detail
Sir Chris (0): (SunnyX)
SunnyX (2): (Sir Chris), (Sir Chris), ToadYoshi, Fett
GameBop (1): AsurasKordoth
SmartGuy (2): Sir Chris, Not Dave
Jack White (1): (SmartGuy), SunnyX
Ngamer (0): (Not Dave)
ToadYoshi (3): SmartGuy, Redtooth, (Sir Chris), Sir Chris
The Raven 2 (1): Menji

Day ends in approximately 1 hour and 50 minutes.
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Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 7:11:26 PM | message detail
Why would ToadYoshi being either side cast suspicion on GBA?

He's been pretty adamant in defending GBA. If TY flips scum, I'd quickly be suspecting GBA.


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Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 7:11:52 PM | message detail
You have two active votes by Sir Chris on there, Ed.


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Ngamer64 | Posted 7/31/2008 7:12:16 PM | message detail
Looking this over carefully... Ed, could you tell us what happens in the event of a tie lynch vote? There appears to be some confusion there.

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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/31/2008 7:12:22 PM | message detail
Oh, OK, I just did a quick look at GBA's posts, and didn't see anything. Point taken.
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Billy Blaze | Posted 7/31/2008 7:13:36 PM | message detail
I stand by my reasoning. The only thing that has happened since is Sunny has claimed and seems pretty legit. Not exactly sure how that's supposed to dissuade me from voting on TY, who still hasn't responded to anything I've said. Honestly though, that's something that disappoints me, I was hoping with votes on him (and TR2 while we're at it), they come out and defend themselves, at least a little. For now though, Toad is just looking to scummy not to vote on him. Though if I've seen right, we have a pathetic number of votes for day 3. Did some people just forget about this game or something?

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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/31/2008 7:14:03 PM | message detail

Not Dave (#463)
You have two active votes by Sir Chris on there, Ed.


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Ah, my bad. Sir Chris's active vote should be on ToadYoshi.


In the event of a tie, basically it goes into Sudden Death mode, where the first person to vote among the available options casts the deciding vote. That make sense?
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Ngamer64 | Posted 7/31/2008 7:17:04 PM | message detail
So a very literal interpretation of the phrase sudden death. That's cool, thanks Ed.

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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/31/2008 7:17:18 PM | message detail
So anyone whose vote isn't on one of the vote leaders gets the decider, correct?
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Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 7:17:32 PM | message detail
Those who haven't voted include baubeta, GBA, Jack White, kaonashi (who has been oddly quiet ever since Chris hinted towards him being scum), SSBM, NGamer, and The Raven 2. Pretty poor showing so far.


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Sir Basch | Posted 7/31/2008 7:18:48 PM | message detail
also ND if you happen to have a shot and are being clever by not telling us, go ahead and use that instead of the block.
Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 7:19:39 PM | message detail
If I get killed tonight, will my night action still get performed?


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Sir Basch | Posted 7/31/2008 7:20:10 PM | message detail
yeah.
kaonashi1 | Posted 7/31/2008 7:25:26 PM | message detail
Oh hey, Ngamer's on. There are a lot of things I want to hear from you-- whom do you suspect? What do you think about the ND/Sir Chris situation? Right now you're high up on my suspicion list due to long periods of absence (though I guess I shouldn't really be the one talking here >.>) and the fact that I've disagreed with a lot of your logic so far.
MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/31/2008 7:25:39 PM | message detail
Also, hey, we've got one more hour than I thought. Yay.
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Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 7:28:03 PM | message detail
I think this is your first post of the day, so if you'd already read up on all the posts, I'd like to hear your suspicions as well, kao.


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Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 7:28:26 PM | message detail
if you've*, rather.


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baubeta | Posted 7/31/2008 7:36:39 PM | message detail
Difficult day to do much...not quite the same fireworks as day two.

Here's how I see things.

Not Dave and Chris have become one in the same, as far as iit concerns matters.

If Chris/ND are Skum...they win.

If Chris/ND are not skum...well they are by far our best chance of pulling out a victory (it seems very much that the higher the newb %, the better the odds mafia cleans up).

I commend them both on doing a Shawn-Hogan style job carrying this thread.

Perhaps I will look back after a few more games and see this as herd mentality and nothing else (even now it seems sketchy), but I really don't have a good grasp on anyone else much better than simply rolling a die.

I'm going with the people who seem to know what they're talking about.

##Vote: SmartGuy


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Sir Basch | Posted 7/31/2008 7:38:40 PM | message detail
I am actually voting for ToadYoshi now ^_^. Kindly change to him if you like to herd.
MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/31/2008 7:40:13 PM | message detail
XD, I don't mind, he basically implied I know what I'm talking about. That's a compliment, if I've ever heard one.
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Sir Basch | Posted 7/31/2008 7:41:07 PM | message detail
He meant he was agreeing with us to vote you, not that you didn't suck
MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/31/2008 7:41:19 PM | message detail
Wait, no he didn't.

Dammit.

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SunnyX | Posted 7/31/2008 7:46:04 PM | message detail
Guys, might wanna stop posting for now. We'll need all the info in this topic the next few days, so I'd wait till Ed creates a new topic for us.
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kaonashi1 | Posted 7/31/2008 7:46:55 PM | message detail
I think this is your first post of the day, so if you'd already read up on all the posts, I'd like to hear your suspicions as well, kao.

Fair enough.

I'm not really feeling the SunnyX lynch-- I'm not sure what he's done to make himself especially more suspicious than most of the other players.

I think that the idea that ND/Sir Chris is a mafia conspiracy is silly and that a lot of the reasoning behind the theory is simply "because it's possible". ND was very quick to defend Sir Chris repeatedly over the course of the day, starting with Ngamer's vote on Chris early in the day, and then for all intents and purposes claimed a power role just to clear him, all on Day 2. I can't see mafia sticking his neck out for other mafia like that-- it seems far too foolhardy. Another remark is potatoesaretubers's first comment about Sir Chris's guilt/innocence: Sir Chris seems like an overly obvious setup. This makes me fairly certain he didn't scan Chris. As a result I'm naturally a bit suspicious of those who've continued to accuse ND or Chris.

As stated previously, I suspect Ngamer because his Day 1 votes don't make much sense to me and on Day 2 he accused Sir Chris, while on Day 3 he hasn't posted anything of substance yet.

I still find Jack White somewhat suspicious (again, mostly for his Day 1 and 2 activities), though I should go through his posts a bit more comprehensively.

I'm a bit bothered by Merc's worries earlier in the day about ND's claim: is it really that common for Jack of All Trades to have a vig kill-- so common that you would cast heavy doubt on the claim if it doesn't? I don't really get this logic.

ToadYoshi and SmartGuy-- I'll have to read their posts in more detail, so I'll talk about them a bit later.
Ngamer64 | Posted 7/31/2008 7:46:58 PM | message detail
My thoughts on Chris and ND, you say? Well they've certainly taken control of this game, but how much of that should be chalked up to good logic rather than Chris' charismatic, bulldog style of play is a matter for debate, in my opinion.

They've made some good arguments, true enough, but here's the one thing that still bothers me... Chris, you entered the game with an extremely limited power role, having only two shots... why in the world would you use one of those precious shots on Day One, to kill a guy whose only post was

Forceful Dragon | Posted 7/24/2008 10:37:23 PM | message detail
Checking in. (just got word of this starting)

Haven't read all the way through yet, gonna get on that soon.


I don't feel I can cast an honest vote today until I better understand what went on there.

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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/31/2008 7:47:01 PM | message detail
I thought of that, but then realized there are three topics on this board, and it'll still be archived, so I'm sure it'll be safe.
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Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 7:48:49 PM | message detail
Guys, might wanna stop posting for now. We'll need all the info in this topic the next few days, so I'd wait till Ed creates a new topic for us.

Pretty sure this board archives, dude.


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GameBopAdv | Posted 7/31/2008 7:48:50 PM | message detail
Gah...mainly because ToadYoshi has been strangely defending me he's kinda earned my trust. I mean, I know I'm really a townie, and I really don't see how defending me when people start giving me suspicion would help him out in anyway other than earning my own specific trust if he were really mafia....

...Eh, I just want to lynch mafia tonight, and I really don't think ToadYoshi is scum right now. While I should still go back and look over every post including his to see just how suspicious they are right now (for now I've just basically skimmed over each post so I still need to go back and check the big details) I just really hope that we can nail a mafia member tonight....

Also, I've decided to take back another statement of mine. When I said that I didn't think that many inactives would really be scum, I'm thinking I was stupid for saying that. After thinking more of what's been going on I'd say that many of the more active people here are looking much more suspicious than they should because the real scum has decided to not give any suspicious behavior at all, in order to look safe, and thus making any slightly suspicious behavior by the real townies seem much worse than they really are, while all the scum never does anything so they look innocent.

...But like I said, I'll need to go through each previous post and see who I would believe is most likely scum right now...
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Ngamer64 | Posted 7/31/2008 7:50:51 PM | message detail
Don't worry about losing this topic. I'll archive and throw it up on thengamer once it hits 500, so we'll be able to go back to it even if this board doesn't archive automatically.

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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/31/2008 7:55:09 PM | message detail
We're allowed to go ahead and make the second topic if Ed's not here to do so at the time, right?
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Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 7:55:36 PM | message detail
NGamer - not sure if you want more than this, or if you missed this post, but:

Sir Basch | Posted 7/30/2008 1:25:15 AM | message detail | #343
Just a hunch. as I said, I nail FD all the time, it is quite sad.

Also I may not be the only vigi, just the only one who likes to shoot early.



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Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 7:56:07 PM | message detail
We're allowed to go ahead and make the second topic if Ed's not here to do so at the time, right?

I don't see why not - I've noticed they're doing it in the mafia on Board 8.


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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/31/2008 8:05:09 PM | message detail
I'll put up the new topic in a bit.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 7/31/2008 8:12:06 PM | message detail
I saw that post ND, and I would have no problem with Chris' action there... if he was an infinite shot Vig. But taking a 1 out of 21 shot in the dark on the first day, with no info, when that kill could have been saved for a few days down the line when we would have at least had reasonable suspicion on some people? Chris prefers an aggressive style of play, that much is obvious, but that FD kill was outright ridiculous given the circumstances.

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Ngamer64 | Posted 7/31/2008 8:13:34 PM | message detail
New topic up! Someone help me get this to 500 so we can save it.

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Ngamer64 | Posted 7/31/2008 8:18:47 PM | message detail
If you want something done right, you've got to do it yourself.

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MrSmartGuy | Posted 7/31/2008 8:19:30 PM | message detail
We had such good debate going. What happened?
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Not Dave | Posted 7/31/2008 8:20:15 PM | message detail
My best guess would be that he figured the mafia would kill him early on, since he's one of the few experienced players in this game. Not sure, though.


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Ngamer64 | Posted 7/31/2008 8:20:36 PM | message detail
The best laid plans...

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